Wednesday, October 29, 2008

Love Thang

With the desire but not the time to write a longer endorsement, I'll make it quick. I'll be voting for Obama. No surprise to regular readers, I'm sure.

The choice is between divided government or a one-party town. The former hasn't exactly worked well, and if nothing else the latter showed how much is possible in the absence of effective opposition. Assuming Democrats would use their own unfettered power to reverse and repudiate the current administration's most disastrous policies, a return to one-party rule should mean a welcome cleansing, at least initially. On Obama specifically, and without rehashing previous posts, I think it's crucial that the next president is above all a clear thinker, someone with intellectual flexibility and independence. Thanks to McCain's eager and ultimately ironic embrace of the 3am phone call issue, the Russia-Georgia conflict and the candidates' reactions to it caused my opinions of them to diverge sharply and irreversibly. Their choices of running mates and their conduct during the economic crisis confirmed those opinions.

For Obamacons there is of course a possibility, perhaps even a likelihood, of buyer's remorse somewhere down the road -- maybe even the morning after the election. Will the taboo love affair survive Obama's first massive corporate bailout or Supreme Court nomination? It's been easy to dismiss most of the hysterical rantings by McCain and Palin. But something that resonated with me, though not quite in the way the McCain campaign and its flacks intended, was the phrase "The One." It worries me that too many Obama supporters believe one person can snap his fingers and solve this country's daunting problems. Hope is a great thing. But as the economy has imploded in recent months and the desperation out there has become palpable, the size of the crowds and the hope that surrounds Obama have made me a bit uneasy. I don't mean hope in the traditional "government will fix things" sense that the Democratic Party represents -- we all know what will happen to the size of government if Democrats control Washington, and we can thank George Bush for setting a fine example -- but hope in a more poignant, human sense. Where is the line between hope and inevitable disappointment, between faith and unrealistic expectations? Maybe we'll find out.

Related, a broad swath of this country has been turned off to conservatism and the Republican Party, perhaps permanently. If Obama wins and four years from now the economy hasn't improved and his approval rating is at 30%, where will those people turn -- politically, socially, and culturally? History has some pretty nasty examples of what can happen after dynamic, galvanizing agents of "change" either don't meet expectations or for whatever reason are interrupted in their mission. Throw in wildcards like the possibility of another attack on U.S. soil, followed no doubt by Dolchstoss-flecked charges from the opportunist Right. One of the themes of this space has been the creeping malevolence and madness out there, and it became obvious during the last month of the campaign. That must be turned back, especially in desperate economic times. McCain has made it clear he would stoke the madness, if only because as president it's unlikely he would suddenly discover something substantive to say and a coherent way of saying it.

It's a risqué fling, and it may not survive the first morning of smudged makeup and cigarette breath. But our divorced spouse turned out to be terrible in the sack, and at least for now the bed's a fun place to be.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for at least giving Obama a chance .

10/29/2008 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not like TCR has much of a choice at this point, but yes, I second that; thanks for giving Barry a chance Mr. Burman.

I take some comfort in the fact that Senator Obama doesn't seem to believe his own hype. His calm and intellectual demeanor is not a facade.

-Medicine Man

10/29/2008 6:06 PM  
Blogger Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

Natch. I second Medicine Man's opinion toward the Obama hype. In light of a majority yearning for true, credible leadership, and in as much as Obama offers a positive and inclusive representation of charismatic leadership, I think he's done a great job of managing his own sensibility. There is a fear that, like W before him, Obama may turn to his own KoolAid in the challenging times ahead.

For now, America is winning: through hope, through peace, through the genius of our system that permits reinvention and restoration.

The next week will see a major test of power: Karl Rove's machinations vs. the will of the people empowered by a new communications paradigm and the Constitution.

10/29/2008 6:19 PM  
Blogger Daniel said...

I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised in the event of an Obama victory.

In my experience as a volunteer within the campaign, I find things pretty grassroots. I mean that Senator Obama constantly says that he can't win by himself and that he needs our individual efforts. During recent disasters he's called on his volunteers to contribute time and money to relief efforts.

The sense that I get is that Senator Obama is promising is a framework in which people's own efforts in their own communities will rebuild the country. He works with Congress to restore rule of law and increase transparency and we work on the rest. His campaign slogan for volunteers has been Respect, Empower, Include and I'm hopeful that he will use that as a governing strategy if elected.

Having said the above, no one can predict the future and if 2012 rolls around without major improvement, radicalization on both sides of the aisle is a distinct possibility.

10/29/2008 6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voting is daft.

Lew Rockwell has a good article on non participation.

I also recommend this article: If you vote, you can't complain

10/29/2008 9:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will second daniel's comments. The thing I really like about Obama is that he makes a point to say that we all need to roll up our sleeves and get to work fixing our country. He doesn't promise to fix everything himself. He wants to move past the divisiveness that has held us back in recent years. I think he is great, and just what this country needs right now.

I also think that there are problems and forces at work in this country that are bigger than the President. It will be interesting to see how he deals with that. That is the big wild card for me.

10/30/2008 12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


10/30/2008 1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The thing I really like about Obama is that he makes a point to say that we all need to roll up our sleeves and get to work fixing our country. He doesn't promise to fix everything himself. He wants to move past the divisiveness that has held us back in recent years. I think he is great, and just what this country needs right now."


It will be energizing just to have an inclusive government again. And have intelligent adults with humanity, that set a positive example, that will encourage people to be respectful and civil. There is so much that needs to be done.

For brief periods, when I think of the possibilities and opportunities, I feel like we can take a deep breath and say, today we can make it because we are moving in the right direction. Yes, there is the potential for hope, change, and progress for 100's of millions, and even the world. I'm a pretty stoic individual, but I find myself almost bubbling over with joyful hope for the first time in a very long time.

10/30/2008 2:21 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

If McCain loses to someone he's convinced his supporters is a 'terrorist palling around with muslim arab socialist terrorist anti-american black liberation negro' it's going to make him look really bad.

10/30/2008 2:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job.

10/30/2008 2:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, a lot of people are going to be unhappy with Obama in 4 years. There's a bit too much hope out there.

One of the best thngs he could do is counter the power Bush adopted as president - but by giving up that power he'd of course give up the power to make changes the Obamaniacs want.

Anyway, i'd be happy if he talks with Iran, pulls troops from Iraq and manages to go 4 years without bombing any other countries... so with that hope, i'm voting for him.


10/30/2008 6:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Seems JOE THE PLUMBER has learned in two months what most here have yet to learn after five decades of voting for the two party aristocracy!

He has declared he is writing in RON PAUL!

In four years you guys will switch back to the REPS!

Put your "hopes" aside and GET REAL! HOPE has nothing to do with a corrupt monetary system!


10/30/2008 7:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


To prove my point ...

Look how many comments there are here about OBAMA compared to the comments on the Fed Funds rate entitled ... "THE 1% DOCTORINE"!!!(2 comments)

Go read the comments there and get some enlightenment for a change!


10/30/2008 7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Throw in wildcards like the possibility of another attack on U.S. soil, followed no doubt by Dolchstoss-flecked charges from the opportunist Right. One of the themes of this space has been the creeping malevolence and madness out there, and it became obvious during the last month of the campaign."
See, this is why I enjoy reading your stuff - I've been seeing disturbing things in the post-Palin McCain campaign: rallies, videos, commentary, etc. I keep getting unpleasant flashes of what I have read about Germany in the 1920s (without the ferocious street battles, thank goodness), and yet the only references to that sort of thing I see are the ludicrous assertions of some of the unusually unhinged Right that Obama=Hitler because he speaks to large, enthusiastic crowds. No history + weak, suggestable minds = yikes! I see fascism on the rise all around, and it really scares me that nobody seems to be taking that or Mrs. Palin as seriously as I think they both deserve. Hitler was a small-potatos goofy figure in the beginning, too.

10/30/2008 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was McCain's madness-stoking a function of the campaign, or is it an essential part of what he's become?

10/30/2008 5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Errm..... Palin's a clown, and I'd say that an authoritarian-leaning faction has always been a segment of the Reagan coalition, which finally got pretty much all its wishes in Bush the Lesser. But I think it's a stretch to say that Sarah of the North is likely to rally the brownshirts. Let's let the system play out -- and hope that Obama's really got the stuff.
-- sglover

10/30/2008 5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point about the disappointment when he can't fix everything.

But these crowds also show that he is inspires people and he wants to bring out their better natures, and if we have to face this economic future with one of them, I pick "Hopey" because consumer confidence is emotional more than anything.

We have a better chance of fixing things if we are all positive. Kumbaya, I know, but I believe it.

10/30/2008 9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The world always makes the assumption that the exposure of an error is identical with the discovery of truth--that the error and truth are simply opposite. They are nothing of the sort. What the world turns to, when it is cured on one error, is usually simply another error, and maybe one worse than the first one."
Henry L Mencken

10/30/2008 10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you CR for your thoughtful post re Obama. I expect in some ways it was hard for you.

I expect that the "liburals" 9mispelled intentionally0 will be dissapointed in Obama - and those of a "conservative" tilt may be quite happy with him.

Watched the Rachel Maddow interview tonight and she asked him why he had not been critical of Republicans in general and conservative thought specifically, and he essentially answered that he needed everyone in order to govern effectively.

I believe him when he says it. Now, the question is will the Republican smear machine attack him from day one - because he won? Will they think he is weak because he trys to govern from the middle and reach across to the other side?

We shall see. Hopefully there are still Republicans like you out there.


10/30/2008 10:39 PM  
Blogger Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

Thank you goldhorder for yet another H.L. Mencken quote. It seems they've been popping up like dandelions in summer lately. Indeed, after following up on several provided links I was inspired to go back to Adam Smith. Now there's a contrast. Libertarian cynic versus progressive economist who wrote the book on market dynamics as an underlying component of social order. I'll take the latter.

10/30/2008 10:47 PM  
Blogger Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

"Now, the question is will the Republican smear machine attack him from day one - because he won? Will they think he is weak because he trys to govern from the middle and reach across to the other side?"

Yes, and hell yes. Look what they did to Clinton, a pro-business centrist who did more to advance wealth in the United States than any Reaganite and clearly any Bush. The authoritarian, neocon right is convinced of its own correctness in spite of a dearth of confirming evidence and plethora of evidence to the contrary. They'll attack out of shame and failure if nothing else. It's going to be ugly and unfortunately no one has the power to turn off their mics. Perhaps their audience will dwindle to the point where they themselves will have 'No Quarter': finding themselves on the streets, or washing toilets: in Baghdad.

10/30/2008 10:54 PM  
Blogger Puck said...

There is no doubt Obama will fall short of expectation, because expectations are high, and the situation he inherits is dire.

None the less, the McCain campaign has been a disaster. How could I possibly vote for a man who picks an unqualified VP, denies the obvious economic indicators one week, then panics and suspends his campaign the next in order to "rescue" the economy?

McCain has been an erratic and desperate leader since the conventions ended. Obama to his credit, has appeared calm, and self-assured.

We already know Obama is more open to actual dialog, independent opinion and careful deliberation than what we've endured these last eight years. Surely, that must have some benefit to the American people, and given how dire the situation has become, perhaps the "buyer's remorse" won't be severe because of it.

10/30/2008 11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Where will those people turn -- politically, socially, and culturally?"

Punk rock?

10/31/2008 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thoughtful stuff. Thanks and keep it up.

10/31/2008 10:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good post ... one small quibble. Clinton actually reduced the size of the government. It's been the Republican Presidents of the last 28 years that have increased the size and scope of the federal government.

Don't assume that Obama will simply snap his fingers and increase the size of the federal government just because he is a Democrat.

10/31/2008 11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for the endorsement. I've been volunteering and contributing to Obama since the primaries.

I like his intellectual calm and the way he thinks through issues. I'm not saying "he's the one", but he does appeal to our better angels.

Goldhoarder - I always look forward to your comments - from 'Barf' to 'here's why I hate you guys...' you never disappoint - you're like the curmudgeonly uncle always saying 'it'll never work...' - please keep posting!

10/31/2008 11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This sentence is incoherent:

"we all know what will happen to the size of government if Democrats control Washington, and we can thank George Bush for setting a fine example"

In fact, government has grown the most under Republican presidents. Democratic presidents have controlled spending and balanced budgets.

10/31/2008 12:04 PM  
Blogger Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

Anonymous @ 11:47 AM

I find this form of ad hominem attack patently offensive and reprehensible. This adds nothing to the discussion. The link you provided is graphic in nature and attempts to link the Obama campaign to a moral wedge issue: stock in trade for the right wing smear machine.

CR, please consider removing the cited post.

10/31/2008 12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, linked here from Andrew Sullivan.

This is one of the best reasoned pieces I've seen written for an "obamacon."

I've been a registered independent since I was old enough to vote. I've dabbled with joining the GOP but it never felt like there was room for me at the table. It's a bit frustrating because I feel a bit uncomfortable with the Democrats (mostly the extreme left-wing of the party), but it in no way compares to the feeling I get from the most extreme faction of the right. I tend to favor Republicans like Chuck Hagel, Olympia Snow, Colin Powell, and GHWB, and Condi. But I'm also a big Hillary fan and I was an independent for McCain until a)he lot his mind and b)he picked palin. I can't get those crazy rally images out of my head.

No matter which way I spin it, I can't believe the idea that McCain will return to the "old mccain." On the other hand, I've been nothing but impressed with Obama, especially his intelligence, his willingness to work with lots of different people, his calmness, and his inclusiveness of people of all backgrounds and ideologies.

I'm sincerely hoping he does some bipartisan appointments because there are some great Republican legislators out there and this is an opportunity to have an MVP team in the white house. Dorky as it sounds, I'm writing a letter to him asking to engage in bipartisanship. And supposedly he and his staff read the letters and respond.

Re: Supreme Court... can someone explain the Obama Supreme Court fear? I thought the 2 liberal judges were retiring. The court is essentially split btw conservative and liberal right now, no? So wouldn't Obama just be keeping the court as is? Checks and balances?

10/31/2008 12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, I've never actually heard an Obama supporter refer to him as "the One," only McCain supporters trying to make the O's sound crazy.

I've been supporting Obama since it became clear that Chris Dodd didn't have shot (that was about 5 nanoseconds into the campaign). I'm just looking for a president who won't completely screw up everything he touches and some stuff he doesn't touch. Most of the Obama supporters I know are like that.

10/31/2008 12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can say -- as a liberal -- that I do not look to S. Obama as "The One." And many self-identified liberals and/or Obama supporters do not see him as the cure to the world's problems. However, I do see him as the first politician, in my generation, to move me and others to become politically active or more politically active -- to take responsibility for the country's direction. And as a result, we are optimistic about the opportunity to put this country towards a better direction where our constitution isn't trampled upon, our voices are heard and our government is working. Because President Bush has been such a failure -- truly eroding our country's confidence in any form of government -- it will be easy for S. Obama to satisfy many of his supporters' expectations. I think the problem he will have is with people who reluctantly supported him. I think the country right and left are asking too much from one guy -- but I think that one guy is presently the right guy to set this country on the right path with his vision and the actions of politicians and citizens alike.

10/31/2008 2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kaimu, are you sure about Joe the Plumber endorsing Ron Paul? Better get on your google machine and fact check that one. Besides, I'm not sure I'd be bragging about a Joe the Plumber endorsement. If Joe's supposed to be the American 'everyman' we are in deep poi.
I'm a libertarian voting for Obama go here to see why.

10/31/2008 2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Senator McCain, Regulated Capitalism is not Socialism

"Senator Obama's economic policies, however you want to describe them, would be the very best thing right now for American businesses, American workers and the American economy. His particular economic prescription would give us back vibrant, thoughtfully regulated capitalism of the sort that we know with certainty promotes and fosters economic growth from the bottom up. Growth which will give us back full employment, a pathway to ending poverty, and progress toward solving the problems associated with our current health care, education, trade, taxation and ecology practices."

I think people that are undecided are either lying, don't want to say, or shouldn't be voting in the first place. I don't believe in polls, because I suspect few people answer correctly.

10/31/2008 5:02 PM  
Blogger Corbie said...

Earlier this year I read an op-ed piece by someone who said that Obama reminded him of one of his favorite teachers -- the one who inspired his students to believe that they (the students) could accomplish great things if they only set their minds to it.

The McCain campaign has mistaken this admiration for hero worship.

I think Obama genuinely believes in public service; and I think/hope he will inspire a renewed sense of public service in this country. It's something we've sadly lost in the era of neoconservatism ("government is the problem").

I was recently listening to an old podcast of an interview with Mickey Edwards, author of "Reclaiming Conservatism" -- he commented about that old Reagan quote re gov't being the problem, not the solution, then said that he knew Reagan well and Reagan actually did believe in good, competent government in a way that the current crop of neocons did not.

10/31/2008 8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, we will probably have a ultra-liberal, Marxist Democrat in the White House along with a Democratic Congress during the complete implosion of our financial system and bankruptcy of the USA.

Just think of all their Democratic constituents rioting for more welfare, food stamps and other handouts during the coming hyperinflationary depression.

Considering the Democrats were the ones who created the Federal Reserve System, the New Deal era and then the Great Society, which were the root causes of this mess, who says there isn't a God?

11/01/2008 12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barack Obama has campaigned with such a positive message, with honor and integrity the whole way through. I have so much admiration for the way he has handled himself in the face of vicious attacks by the Republicans. The nasty undertone of the McCain/Palin campaign is shameful and despicable.

A landslide victory for Obama will be all the more sweet because it will be America's way to tell the GOP that they are a failed party with failed policies and their campaign methods are totally abhorrent, disgusting, heinous and pathetic.

11/01/2008 1:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and one more thing. Is anybody else out there as sick of hearing the phrase "Joe the Plumber" as I am??? Enough already with this ridiculous narrative. His name's not Joe, he's not a licensed plumber and he was a McCain plant. No wonder John McCain is becoming irrelevant so quickly.

11/01/2008 1:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Realist,

Welcome to the community of Americans seeking to elect Senator Barack Obama. No one can say how his presidency will turn out, but if he manages an administration the way he handles an election campaign, it's safe to say that we are in for at least 4 year of competent leadership.

The country has been essentially rudderless thanks to Bush's abdication of his responsibilities. The nation lists, without direction, and the challenges we face are now too urgent to continue with a caretaker government. Worse, McCain has given every indication of being impulsive and prone to error. There really is no choice here at all. If you love this country, it is imperative that McCain and Palin be rejected.

11/01/2008 4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To assuage your concern of a "one-party town"... 'Democratic control' and 'divided government' are not mutually exclusive.

11/01/2008 8:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


It matters not who you vote in, either Rep or Dem, all you are voting for is a political "band-aid". What we need instead is a full blown cardiac surgeon wielding a chain saw not a scalpel!

Have none of you guys figured out that we are in a monetary crisis?

11/02/2008 1:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Forget HL Mencken ... Here's CICERO! Anyone notice anything strangely familiar aside from ROME IS BURNING?

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lestbecome bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." … Cicero - 55 BC

Luckily Rome did not have to contend with unregulated OTC derivatives and BAILOUTS!

11/02/2008 1:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Over 40 comments on "emotional" band-aid political topics like OBAMA and MCCAIN and only 4 measly comments on the entire US financial and monetary system! It shows!

11/02/2008 1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kaimu, good point. Will that sentiment ever be reversed or at least be closer? If not now, I'm not sure it would ever happen.

11/02/2008 7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DanC said... So, we will probably have a ultra-liberal, Marxist Democrat in the White House along with a Democratic Congress during the complete implosion of our financial system and bankruptcy of the USA.

You think Brian Moore is going to win? I live in Illinois (and am a real socialist). Senator Obama is very middle of the road. I think the thinking conservatives are going to be pleasantly surprised with him. I don't agree with him most of the time, but I appreciate his intelligence and that he takes the time to explain his positions.

11/02/2008 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cheryl said "Senator Obama is very middle of the road."

Well, according to the National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings, Sen. Obama was the most liberal senator in 2007. He shifted further to the left that year after ranking as the 16th and 10th most liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

I stand by my earlier comments.

Unfortunately, I don't think he or any other candidate can help this country as its unfunded obligations for Medicare and Social Security alone total more than $41 trillion per the GAO.

The $quadrillion (1,000-trillion) derivative implosion we are now experiencing will make its bankruptcy occur a lot sooner.

The current utterly corrupt political system does not deserve to survive since it destroyed our democratic republic.

When the dust settles, the best we can hope for is a military takeover.

They promote their best and most decent to the top ranks as opposed to our electing the most eloquent liars.

Perhaps, at some point we can get back to following our Constitution and run this country they way our Founders desired.

11/02/2008 3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DanC, I don't really care what the National Journal says. They always call the Democratic nominee the most liberal whatever. My other Senator, Dick Durbin, is a lot more liberal than Senator Obama.

And as far as hoping for a military take over, isn't that kind of close to treason?

11/02/2008 4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I was going through my notes, I spotted this was Garrison Keillor:

"The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous."

11/04/2008 4:37 PM  
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still a moron.

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