Thursday, January 24, 2008

"State Secrets"

Be sure to catch this new article on Sibel Edmonds by former CIA officer Philip Giraldi.


Anonymous goldhorder said...


I was hoping Giraldi would write such an article.

1/24/2008 11:44 AM  
Anonymous JackofAllTirades said...

Not to sound naïve, but isn't there also the possibility that this activity was to mislead rogue states who were seeking nuclear weapons/technology?

Almost always, I take everything this administration says with a grain of salt, but we shouldn't be blind to actual competency (albeit very rarely) with regard to national security.

1/24/2008 12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jack: Must be difficult for you.

1/24/2008 3:16 PM  
Blogger steve.vaughan said...

Anonymous: Don't believe everything you read. Are you going to tell me next that the levies in New Orleans were exploded? Hey, even Pierre Salinger got suckered once...

Maybe you've got some good friend-of-a-friend information no one else has.

1/24/2008 4:46 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

jack...Giraldi acknowledges this possiblity. It is the media's job to explore possible malfeance by elected officials. One of Sibel's findings was that Hastert took a 6 figure bribe from the Turks not to bring the Armenian Genocide thing to the house floor. Hastert had some shady land real estate dealings involving a new federal highway that just happened to wind up going through property he purchased in advance of the announcement. Kind of lends a bit of credibility to the Turk bribe thing. Not everything Sibel translated had to do with the most explosive charges. Our media doesn't probe into any of it? If the media is not going to watch the government...who should? The FBI? The CIA? They answer to goverment officials and have had their own corruption problems. Who watches the watchers? Nobody? We just assume they are honest? Even if it was a covert action it appears it was a horribly bungled one. Did you even bother reading what he wrote? It appears that Pakistan received a good deal of help from us to get their nuclear project off the ground. All of this is in the past now also. Why doesn't the public have a right to know?

Would the government ever lie to protect its reputation with the people? To cover up its incompetence and unintended the drooling masses don't question the size of their budgets...or why we even have them for that matter. Just as an example....Remember the reporter who commited suicide because he became a laughing stock....because their was no possiblity our government would have any knowledge or play any part...blah...blah...blah
Read article carefully. Robert Parry accused the Contras of this in 1985. Webb tried to prove Parry's accusations correct.

Gary Webb’s 1996 series in the San Jose Mercury News titled “Dark Alliance” revealed that for the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to Los Angeles street gangs and funneled millions in drug profits to the CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contras.

....after years and years of denials The big newspapers made much of the CIA’s internal reviews in 1987 and 1988 – almost a decade earlier – that supposedly had cleared the spy agency of a role in contra-cocaine smuggling.

But the CIA’s decade-old cover-up began to weaken on Oct. 24, 1996, when CIA Inspector General Frederick Hitz conceded before the Senate Intelligence Committee that the first CIA probe had lasted only 12 days, the second only three days. He promised a more thorough review.

The CIA published the first part of Inspector General Hitz’s findings on Jan. 29, 1998. Despite a largely exculpatory press release, Hitz’s Volume One admitted that not only were many of Webb’s allegations true but that he actually understated the seriousness of the contra-drug crimes and the CIA’s knowledge.

Hitz acknowledged that cocaine smugglers played a significant early role in the Nicaraguan contra movement and that the CIA intervened to block an image-threatening 1984 federal investigation into a San Francisco-based drug ring with suspected ties to the contras, the so-called “Frogman Case.”

Are you really in agreement that it is the job of the media to promote our government's propaganda? I guess you trust the government so much you don't think its propagana. LOL

1/24/2008 5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goldhorder, don't you realize the the media is all liberal and out to get the Republicans?

Therefore anything that might be negative about any Republicans is extremely suspect and should be ignored.

And, of course, when the MSM gets around to serious issues like Bill Clinton's peccadilloes, that proves how bad Clinton was because they were all liberals and they still went after him.

Haven't you been paying attention? You should listen to Rush Limbaugh and ignore everyone else. Of course, when he says something that is a lie or outrageous, he is misquoted/taken out of context/only kidding.


1/24/2008 7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our media doesn't probe into any of it? If the media is not going to watch the government...who should?

"Our" media is run by and for the oligarchy, just like "our" government. I thought the run-up to the Iraq adventure made that about as vivid as a road flare.

Speaking of "our" government and cui bono?, I see that the "stimulus package" is going to explicitly cover bad mortgage debts, and give a big "fuck you" to people of lesser means who could maybe use some direct aid to pay rent or buy food. I'm so proud to see Nan "Historic Footnote" Pelosi sticking up for working people with such fire.
-- sglover

1/24/2008 8:42 PM  
Blogger Jen Clark said...

Thanks for posting this information. I've read a bit about Sibel Edmonds, and this is the first I've heard that Marc Grossman outed Valerie Plame's entire unit.

To Steve Vaughn... I don't believe anything I read or am told. It's not about beliefs. But when a former FBI translater gets sacked for exposing a dirty co-worker and then is muzzled by Congress and the Justice Department, that is worth investigating. Unfortunately for us, Congress and the Justice Department are the ones that are supposed to be in charge of investigating just this sort of accusation. So who's left? The people... forced to try to connect the dots with the little information that we have.

Would you rather we just ignore it, considering we're talking about the sale of nuclear secrets here?

1/25/2008 5:34 PM  
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