Thursday, September 15, 2005

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The president's speech tonight was heavy on platitudes, homespun anecdotes, and promises of immense government handouts---and light on what people wanted to hear, such as a far more explicit acceptance of not only personal responsibility but the consequences that must accompany culpability.

But as he said tonight, "It was not a normal hurricane." That says it all, right?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It was not a normal hurricane."

Expanded, this equates to:

"Clearly a storm as powerful as Katrina could not have evolved from a lowly breeze and shows signs of intelligent design. Given this, the fact that it targetted some of the poorest people in the nation is an unmistakable sign that God hates poor people. I will therefore instruct Congress to permanently repeal the estate tax and award one hundred billion kajillion dollars in contracts to Haliburton."

Alas, Katrina really wasn't an abnormal hurricane. It was half the size of the largest hurricane we've seen - Supertyphoon Tip which was a mere 1100 miles across. Much worse than Katrina is out there and much worse targets are as well. Miami has exactly two roads to escape such a storm, four times as many people to evacuate, and typically receives far less warning.

9/15/2005 10:18 PM  
Blogger Automax4000 said...

From today's NYT: "Republicans said Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, was in charge of the reconstruction effort..."

This is far worse than putting Brown in control of FEMA.

9/15/2005 10:38 PM  
Blogger Hume's Ghost said...

The thing that really bothered me about the speach was where he started talking about the need to fix Homeland Security to be prepared for a disaster (be it natural or man-made) and what not ... we already heard that speech - four years ago!

9/15/2005 11:25 PM  
Blogger 277fia said...

The talking heads on Fox were sure that spending a lot of money on reconstruction is guaranteed to make Bush popular again.

I'm not so sure.

This was the first time that I ever heard the president speak about poverty in America. Bush boiled the solution down to $5,000 of job training and some help with a mortgage.

Recently, Toyota opted to build a new factory in Ontario rather than Mississippi or Alabama even though the two states offered substantially better tax incentives. Toyota considered the Mississippi and Alabama work force to be functionally illiterate.

C.R., you have to admit, even though you are a conservative, suspending Davis-Bacon as Karl Rove hands out $200 billion to Bush cronies was out and out nasty and meanspirited. The prevailing wage in Louisiana and Mississippi is a whopping $9 an hour. (BTW, Broward and Miami-Dade counties were included in this "emergency" provision.)

I didn't think the Republicans could top their campaign to haul poor people down to the IRS and audit the earned income credit but they did.

After five years, I really don't think too much of conservatives. They spend a lot of money and aren't especially reliable.

9/16/2005 3:03 AM  
Anonymous PenDragon said...

One question, are we going to spend any time looking at what the Mayor of N.O. or the Governor of Louisiana did, or is that not worthy of Anti-Bush discussion?

PenDragon

9/16/2005 5:21 AM  
Blogger Hume's Ghost said...

Sure, I'd like to look at what the mayor and gov. did. But early misinformation and spin coming out of the White House and the media set a bad tone in that regard.

Even now I'm having a hard time deciphering where the shortcoming of state and local officials was real and where it was not.

9/16/2005 8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TCR,
Please don't forget to address Bush's dangerously wrongheaded call for more military presence during the reconstruction.
Martial law really could be just around the corner.
Don't laugh it off..
Bush is extremely dangerous now that he doesn't have political capital to work with---because he will insist on keeping the authority he has had so far by the grace of Congress by other means.
Count on it.

9/16/2005 11:27 AM  
Anonymous grass root said...

I heard parts of the speech on the radio this morning and wondered how, how, how are the taxpayers going to pay for this. Bush is doing what he was raised to do - spend other people's money. Does he still intend to make the tax cuts permanent for his financial peer group? Is he still after our Social Security funds? Like so many in his personal financial stratosphere he doesn't intend to let go of one thin dime on this. This is "America's" problem, not his.

9/16/2005 11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I heard parts of the speech on the radio this morning and wondered how, how, how are the taxpayers going to pay for this."

Yes, and the press is as complicit as ever. After a few days of decent reporting they went back to their old, let's-leave-the-real-story-out ways.

The only place I saw on TV about the suspension of Davis-Bacon was on the Daily Show. And they were quoting an article that the Washington Post had buried inside the paper! Every American should be aware of this cruel decision, and of the huge no-bid contracts awarded to the usual suspects, but I'll bet maybe 5% are aware.

Out of the estimated $200 billion reconstruction how much is going to end up in the pockets of the rich?

9/16/2005 11:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PenDragon - for pity's sake just stop. Yes there is plenty of blame to go around - that is so obvious to everyone - but you use that to deflect discussion on the federal governments role not because you really want a serious discussion.

But since I don't think you are from the city/state based on the lack of depth in your post - I am not going to look to you for intelligent discussion on that. That is something to be discussed locally where people know more and where it actually matters. I doubt you have any clue how the relationships, history, politics, personality, etc played into the local response (or lack thereof). Outsiders have no clue - New Orleans and Louisiana have their own operating personality as does California, New York, Massachusetts, Florida, etc. I don't seek to solve or talk about their problems because I have no real knowledge of how things work there. I don't appreciate you offering your "insights" on topic you are likely unfamilir with.

Now if you are from the city or the state I will listen - other than that you will be ignored like all the other know-nothings.

9/16/2005 12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pendragon, since most everyone in these parts were in favor of an independent commission, an investigation into the major and gov would have been assured. The difference between you and the people that generally frequent CR is that CR represents views that seek responsibility and accountability. You just want to protect junior or your party, or something like that.

Hume, procedurally, it appears the Gov and mayor did what they were supposed to do when they were supposed to do it. That's been supported by an independent agency now. What they didn't do was properly plan for this in the first place - no drivers secured for those buses, turning away some pre-storm assistance (apparently due to inept coordination), pre-positioning relief supplies on a scale that NOLA would need, etc. Everybody low-balled this at the outset. When the shit really hit the fan, it seems the local and state govt. did most things right but were so crippled by the storm and hamstrung by a lack of pre-planning that it was far from effective.

The right argues that state and local govts should be able to take care of themselves, and LA and NOLA should have done far more on this front. But it's unrealistic to say that the feds aren't critical in events like this. It apparently never dawned on anyone that a terrorist attack might kill the major and governor, or so undermine the local infrastructure that the local response would be almost non-existant - and NOLA was a good example of this. So FEMA was apparently shocked to discover that there was no electricity, phones, cell phones, police, firemen, roads, and so on. The left say that local and state reponses may be so crippled that the feds need to take full responsibility here.

Really, it needs to be both, and with elected officials moving hither and yon, party politics, and everything else, it's not surprising that it fall apart in the end. Toss in local corruption and the appointment of incompetent people to coordinate it, and it just gets worse.

9/16/2005 12:05 PM  
Anonymous Jason said...

In the debate about which level of government is most responsible, I think it is important to note the difference about what each could have done, compared to what each actually did.

Sure, state and local government didn't perform perfectly, but the disparity between what the federal government was capable of and what they actually did is painfully obvious.

9/16/2005 12:59 PM  
Blogger Roy said...

I did not watch the speech because I knew it would be devoid of any thing new. Unforntunately, I was right, Bush promised to spend Billions on the reconstruction. Where is all of this money going to come from?

As for the notion that you have to be from the state of LA to discuss it, that is absurd. If we are only able to discuss the states in which we live then this country is in trouble. I come from CA and I know most people in the state dont have a clue to what is going on.

9/16/2005 1:47 PM  
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9/16/2005 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush's speach, announcing $200 billion dollars in new spending that will be financed by new borrowing sent the treasury market into a tailspin today leading to higher interest rates.

If he would abondon his crusade for further tax cuts the markets might stablize a bit. But without that look for your governemt having to pay higher and higher interest rates to borrow all the money it wants to spend.

And when the government pays higher interest rates you know what that means for you, right?

9/16/2005 3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was much harder on the state and local government authorities before I learned 2 facts:

1) Chertoff and the DHS in fact DID have the authority to act using all federal military and civilian resources. But since Chertoff didn't know he had that power, he didn't use it. Why would he know it? Like Brown, he has zero qualifications.

2) Bush actually declared a state of emergency the day before the hurricane, but tapped zero Federal resources.

9/16/2005 4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wanna look at the fema nat security updates that were transmitted to all in the fed gov by the dhs department in charge of notification and response?

this site starts with a number of quotes from the head of that department and then links to the updates that were sent out via blackberrie on the 4 days between 8/26/05 thru 8/29/05

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849706

that having been said, i found the speech specious and irresponsible.

not only where is the money coming from, (is china really ready to buy more of our debt? are the saudis?) but also who will be reaping the profits (and they will be with the traitorous carpetbagging and lying rove or without him) and why the hell are we not yet safe when bush has spent the last 4 yrs telling us and pounding the podium that "and the world / united states is safer..." ????

i'm personally mad as hell and ready to fight again for the souls of this nation. "protect and defend the constitution of the united states from all enemies both foreign and domestic" actually means something.

this admin is far more interested in dismantalling the constitution and USING the souls it is framed to protect and serve!

this not only needs light to be shined, it needs for all of us to SEE and demand change in the attitude and workings of government.

i believe bush has been shocked into a corner of fear of his own. he's playing politics. he's shamed the nation he says he loves, and his god is judging and finding him lacking in the eyes of those he "SERVES"...

defend him if you want, but i'm not gonna waste a minute on it.

feral

9/16/2005 4:59 PM  
Blogger 277fia said...

Pendragon: Let me guess - you want to talk buses and Red Cross. Buses - the 225 buses in the photo or the 600 to 2000 buses touted by the right? Keep in mind that the school buses were not part of the city emergency evacuation plan that both the state and the FEMA signed off on.

Let me know what day you think the mayor should have mobilized 225 buses and rivers to evacuate 12,000 people. Or when you think the buses should have been moved to higher ground.

The right wingers are aghast that the Red Crossd was staged and ready to go into New Orleans on Monday but the state homeland security director stopped them.

As far as I can tell, not one of these critics bothered to ask what staged and ready to go means.

How many Red Cross volunteers were available on Monday to go to New Orleans? If those volunteers went to New Orleans, would the operations of any of the shelters outside of New Orleans be affected? How many of the volunteers were medical staff?

Where were the volunteers on Monday and how far did they have to travel to New Orleans? What sleeping accommodations did the Red Cross arrange for its staff before the hurricane?

How many trucks and trailers were available on Monday? Were the roads passable? How many meals, how much water and how many portable toilets were staged and ready to go?

Once the Red Cross arrived in New Orleans, how would it communicate with FEMA, the mayor's office or the police without cell phones?

What else is on your mind, Pendragon?

9/16/2005 7:00 PM  
Blogger 277fia said...

And by the way, Michael Chertoff attended an avian flu conference in Georgia on Monday.

I think that Chertoff said he read that New Orleans dodged a bullet on Tuesday morning. Close enough, a few TV commentators used that phrase on Tuesday.

So how many times did Chertoff talk to Michael Brown on Monday to see how things were going?

9/16/2005 7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "surprise" is that he's still playing the role of President of the United States.

9/16/2005 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Antonie said...

I didn't see the speech.

Is the reconstruction going to start with building the levees up to hurricane 5 strength? How soon will that be done? If not, our billions of reconstruction will be in vain.

9/16/2005 9:15 PM  
Anonymous PenDragon said...

Anonymous,

I guess if you're not from one of what is widely recognized as the most corrupt state and city in the nation you don't even have the right to ask questions.

That's what I love about liberals, they are in favor of free speech as long as you agree with them. When you don't you're from the wrong state or something else.

I merely raised a question. Are we just going to blame Bush or are we going to talk about State and local actions. I guess not, unless I'm related to Huey Long or something.

Liberals are sooo transparent.

I know that all of you keep looking for something, the big one, that will somehow end the Bush Presidency, but sorry guys, not this time, my suggestion is that you try something different for once - like winning an election, maybe!

PenDragon

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