Wednesday, October 18, 2006

Thoughtful Recommendations On Iraq....

They're out there. Here's one. Something that's missing is consideration of what the Iraqi people actually want at this point; this poll and all the others I've seen can't be ignored. But the post is a welcome bit of seriousness in a silly season, and worth the read.

Unfortunately, there's another problem. After reading the post at the above link, read this. Then ask yourself if anything we try at this point -- "hard work" whatever we do, to be sure -- has a chance of succeeding with our current batch of "leaders."


Blogger Mark Jones said...

Here is some news that I bet will merit little, if any, attention today:

"BAGHDAD, Oct. 18-Ten U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq on Tuesday, one of the bloodiest days of the war for American forces outside of major combat operations."

10/18/2006 7:18 AM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

New York times article is hardly suprising. Off course there is nothing we can do. We will continue to stay in Iraq and burn money and die the death of 1 million pin pricks...and then we will leave. The Iraqis have learned that they can wage a successful insurgency against us. It would be too embarassing for our political elite to leave so we stay. Eventually staying will become too painful so we will leave. End of story.

10/18/2006 11:20 AM  
Blogger DED said...

A lesson from General MacArthur appears to have been forgotten:

"Nothing is gained by military occupation. All occupations are failures."

Granted he was talking to President Truman about Korea in October of 1950, after South Korea had been liberated, but it would appear apt. And if we do invade NK, I think that there will be alot of retrospectives done on the (First) Korean War.

Btw, Truman agreed with him when he said it.

10/18/2006 1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be too embarassing for our political elite to leave so we stay.

This is the only reason that I can discern for our continued presence. On the gasbag shows I hear would-be Clausewitzes talk about regional instability and warfare if we leave, and this is certainly a grim possibility. But of course they laughed off the very same concerns before their bastard invasion, and they have no real plan now. Nope, the only "strategy" our Beltway Caesars have is to keep kicking the can along until some sucker comes along.

We need to hand over the upper 2-3 tiers of our government need to an international war crimes tribunal.
-- sglover

10/18/2006 3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bit OT, but there's a rumor that the next administration will threaten and possibly attack Paraguay for harboring a fugitive war criminal.

10/18/2006 6:50 PM  
Anonymous David said...

on our leaders, it gets worse:

orc or uruk-hai?

10/19/2006 5:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ideology trumps reality.

Which "leaders", the cancer goes so deep here, that one wonders whatever we do will it get better.

10/19/2006 10:54 AM  
Blogger Daniel DiRito said...

The prevailing opinion is that the Middle East is a very complex and complicated region rife with centuries of sectarian, tribal, cultural, and religious differences. I agree with that characterization with regards to attempting to summarize the area historically. As to the current problems that have spiraled into a near full scale regional war, I’m convinced that the solution to the many issues rests solely upon one defining problem…from which all others emanate and from which all others can be resolved. In fact, in what some may call my fanciful Hollywood formulaic prescription, one particular movie quotation seems to capture the essence of my proposed story line…“If you build it, they will come”. The “it” is none other than a Palestinian state.

Dissect the situation any way you choose but you will always come back to the need to provide for an autonomous Palestinian state. Should there be any doubt; one need merely follow the underlying sentiment that has led to the formation of the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and numerous other anti-Israeli / pro-Palestinian organizations. Further, if one were to attempt to understand the dynamics at play in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion as well as the failure of the Iraqi people to view the American troops as liberators (that glorious scenario envisioned by Dick Cheney and his band of neoconservatives who metaphorically run around shooting others in the face with reckless abandon), one must only realize that the United States is seen as an obstacle to freedom in the Middle Eastern mindset.

As with those who doubt Israel will ever allow for a Palestinian state, so too do the Iraqi’s doubt that the United States will ever fully implement an autonomous Iraq. They make that conclusion by extrapolation…one that says if the United States is fully supportive of Israel and Israel has yet to provide for a Palestinian state, then why would the U.S. ever provide for an Iraqi state since they, like the Israeli’s, will always be able to identify the potential for an independent Iraq to threaten the security of the region and ultimately the United States.

It is time to jump ahead to the core problem. Every effort should be employed to immediately establish an independent Palestinian state. If we were to invest a portion of the funds we anticipate spending in Iraq over the next few years on building a functional Palestinian state we could demonstrate to those who distrust or despise the United States that we understand the underlying regional dynamics that have led to perpetual instability and conflict in the Middle East. It may also provide the backdrop for the resolution of other festering problems within the region.

The risks of such an endeavor are far outweighed by the potential benefits. Further, as the most powerful nation in the world, we would still retain the ability to use force where required. However, we would be doing so after having done the right thing which would elevate our moral standing in the world and have the likelihood to change the perceptions of the people that inhabit the region. We could then act from a position of justifiable strength and integrity.

If we continue down the current path, we may well not be able to sustain the costs in currency and conflict. As the region and perhaps the world stands on the precipice of an escalating period of instability and expanding wars we have very little to lose. If we build a Palestinian state, answers will come.

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10/19/2006 6:06 PM  
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dont think saddam sentencing will be enough for karl to turn it though...

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