Monday, August 04, 2008

Back Into The Memory Hole?

That's how some would like it. With the death of Bruce E. Ivins, named as a suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks, reports indicate that the government may mark the case "closed." But Ivins's death raises more questions than it answers. Glenn Greenwald performs a public service by asking some important ones here and here. Read the full posts if you haven't already. This entire episode is crying out for a full-scale, public inquiry.

As Glenn notes, it's important to remember the role the anthrax attacks played in the "case" against Saddam. A retrospective of the efforts by the usual suspects to link Iraq to the attacks would take a lot of ink. But this one, at the 1:05 mark, is both relevant and frightening:

If the allegations against Ivins are true, that makes at least three false flag operations contemplated and/or executed while this administration has been in office (though of course there's no evidence the administration had anything to do with the anthrax attacks). The others were Bush's prewar proposal to paint U.S. aircraft in the colors of the U.N. in hopes that Saddam would fire on them, and the post-Hormuz discussion of building replica Iranian boats and staging a confrontation. Throw in the Niger forgeries if you want. Of course these are the ones we actually know about. There's been a lot of speculation about war crimes and legal consequences, but I think prosecution, if it happens, is just as likely to be for this sort of misconduct. Remember, stuff like this almost always stays secret for decades. Usually the public has to wait for a guilty conscience in old age or a shredder-cheating document discovered in dusty archives (a well-known example of the latter is here). It's rare for these things to come out while the principals are alive, much less still in office. That bodes well for future disclosures.

But you have to wonder what it will take. It's scandalous that no one in Washington with subpoena power seems to think any of this is worth looking into. If at this point you don't understand that there are some truly malevolent actors out there willing to do literally anything to "wake up" the American public -- up to and including leaving a suitcase or backpack full of nastiness in the middle of a U.S. city -- you're either willfully ignorant or dangerously naive. Of course the message to developing nations, particularly ones with valuable natural resources, is protection by any means possible. False flag deception is a bit riskier when the target country possesses the ultimate deterrent.

Normally the best defense against all this is in a nation's character, in an innate ability to avoid what Haffner called "a million-fold nervous breakdown" -- a lack of national gullibility, collective coolheadedness under "attack," and skepticism about elected demagogues and disdain for their media mouthpieces. Which explains a lot about the past seven-plus years, unfortunately.

Dangerous times.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sometimes think (in my more optimistic moments) that the powers that be are going to regret backing gun rights so strongly.

8/04/2008 5:39 PM  
Anonymous cb said...

One day, some Democratic committee chairmen could easily write sternly worded letters about all of this.

8/04/2008 6:09 PM  
Anonymous not sure said...

We know that at least 25% of U.S. citizens have no "skepticism about elected demagogues and disdain for their media mouthpieces". It also appears at least 20% more are willing to ignore any feelings of skepticism and disdain and vote with the 25% to keep the liberals from taxing us to death and giving the money to welfare queens for abortions. I've seen it written that we get the leadership we deserve, but I can't figure out what I've done to deserve the last 7 and potentially next 5 years.

8/04/2008 6:33 PM  
Anonymous Thomas Daulton said...

Minor quibble: I think the fact that "It's scandalous that no one in Washington with subpoena power seems to think any of this is worth looking into" (as you say) is separable from the idea that somebody might "leave a suitcase or backpack full of nastiness in the middle of a U.S. city".

In my opinion we have a Capitol chock-full of corrupt politicians who have all been bought-and-paid-for by the exact same corporate interests, with plenty enough dirt and skeletons on both sides of the putative "aisle", so the reason we don't have investigations and inquiries is because large masses of the "opposition party" fear that if they dig up anything serious, the next inquiry will focus on them. Sort of a "Mutual Assured Destruction", except in this case both parties to the M.A.D. make common cause by raping the non-Beltway population. There was a great example of this just a couple weeks ago, when Greenwald debated Cass Sunstein, an ostensible Democrat and opponent of Bush policies, but Sunstein's responses were all mealy-mouthed apologias for the Republicans whom he has to greet cordially in the corridors of power every day.

Note that I don't see much hope of the M.A.D. balance changing under an Obama administration.

On the other hand, a 'false-flag' operation where loyal Americans are ordered to their deaths simply to deceive their own nation... now that's crossing a line. If and when that happens, I expect this Administration couldn't keep it secret. Not for long. Not for longer than a few years, I expect.

Still, as many off-the-mainstream commentators sensibly point out, we can't take anything off the table no matter how paranoid it sounds. Tuskeegee, Northwoods, well, it's been a few decades... we're pretty much due for yet another stupid Manichean/Machiavellian attempt to bring on the "just war" by utterly unjust means. Yeah, dangerous times.

8/04/2008 7:46 PM  
Anonymous Thomas Daulton said...

Sorry, I guess I commented before fully processing your post. To clarify, it seems your only point is that there might be one or more "lone nuts" with access to these kind of weapons, who might be willing to take it upon themselves to perpetrate such a deception even without "orders from the Top". It is our misfortune that this is happening during a time when the "M.A.D." I cite above is paralyzing our branches of government, including those with responsibility to uncover such plots. But heck, if I read you right, even though it might not yet be a full-blown conspiracy at the highest levels, this "M.A.D. paralysis" does nothing but encourage those who spend their workdays in Undisclosed Locations to think they could get away with such a deception... for the greater good, of course.

8/04/2008 8:17 PM  
Anonymous gypsy howell said...

Add one more:

The crazy 9-11 MIHOP Conspiracy Theorists are starting to sound a little less crazy, aren't they?

8/05/2008 8:27 AM  
Anonymous jay walker said...

I'm still waiting to see ANY discernible video from the Pentagon attack, perhaps the best-guarded building on the planet (with the most CCTVs, too)...


8/05/2008 8:34 AM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

Anybody hear about Ron Suskind's new book? He was on NPR today. Interesting...but we have accepted big brother too much to pay too much attention to it,.

Hey...welfare queens don't have abortions, another kid is a pay raise for crying out loud.

Republicans do not support gun rights. They use it as a wedge issue and the democrats are too stupid(or in on it) to call them on their bluff. Look at what happened during Hurricane Katrina. Property owners protecting themselves had their firearms confiscated. The NRA (nothing but worthless Republican party hacks) had to be shamed into making a stink about it by their members (some of whom finally began to see the light...this incident definetly raised a few eyebrows among the gun crowd). The support for gun rights is not manufactured. The support for gun rights is real. If we as citizens can't keep our firearms when we need them most...we have no gun rights. The NRA and the Republican party are the government's tools to limit gun rights as much as possible. You people are way to linear in your thinking. IMO. Government control is most effective when it appears to support the interests of the people. It infiltrates these organizations and controls them from the inside. Hence...the NRA initially having no response to Katrina and then changing course when it became clear they were about to lose all legitamacy as a gun rights advocacy lobby.

8/05/2008 10:09 AM  
Anonymous e. nonee moose said...

One day, some Democratic committee chairmen could easily write sternly worded letters about all of this.

And this thread has a winner!!!!

8/05/2008 2:15 PM  
Anonymous Manic Depression said...

Operation Northwoods memo is here if interested:

8/05/2008 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Thomas Daulton said...

Hmmm, as if on cue:

Suskind book claims White House authorized fake letter to Saddam linking Iraq to Al-Qaida.

Sensational claim to sell books? Maybe. But again, we can take nothing off the table.

8/05/2008 3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you list links to or one of the 9/11
truth sites in your list of blogs?
They've done a brilliant job researching the facts of the WTC and other attacks, but have been met with disdain and ridicule.

The anthrax controversy and the mysterious scenario of Dr. Ivins align very well with the 9/11 truth movement's hypothesis: the government has and is engineering false flag attacks for further militarism overseas and more coercion of the civilian population domestically.

Bobby Lynn

8/05/2008 3:54 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

Ron Suskind never named the source but that quote of a high level Bush man (Cheney? Rove? who knows could be any one them) captured the essence of this Administration. For that alone he deserves to be taken seriously.

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

8/05/2008 4:04 PM  
Anonymous Kilfarsnar said...

Listen: No one in Washington will use subpoena power to investigate this. Why? Because they know how things work. Anyone who gets too close is taken care of. How many of us would willingly put their neck in the hangman's noose for the Truth? Not many, and certainly not those living the good life in Washington. So forget it.

This is why I have come out the other side on Obama. He says great stuff. Of course, if you look more carefully at what he says, it becomes less great. But even if he were serious about most of it, 9/11 still happened. Whomever was behind the events of that day are still out there. Will Obama contend with that? No. Why? See the first paragraph. Heck, he probably wouldn't believe it anyway. Most people are resistant to the idea that much of what they have been taught about the world they live in is wrong.

CR is right that there are malevolent actors out there willing to do anything. But it is not to wake people up. It is to keep them asleep and deceived. I mean, what else is a false flag operation good for? Think that it is the Bruce Ivins of the world that are the real threat? That perception is what is ignorant and naive.

8/05/2008 4:38 PM  
Anonymous Kilfarsnar said...

"Tuskeegee, Northwoods, well, it's been a few decades... we're pretty much due for yet another stupid Manichean/Machiavellian attempt to bring on the "just war" by utterly unjust means."

Thomas, what makes you think that has not already happened?

8/05/2008 4:43 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

There was the whole yellowcake forgery too...we've had plenty of US Reichstag fires.

8/05/2008 5:32 PM  
Anonymous Thomas Daulton said...

To Kilfarsnar:

Oh, no, I wasn't intending my list to be exhaustive. I wuz just sayin', we're due for another one.

8/06/2008 11:56 AM  
Anonymous Kilfarsnar said...


Ok, I dig it.

8/07/2008 3:58 PM  
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