No Country For Contrite Men
Rod Dreher has been a good read on this stuff:
I wish I felt the same way. But that would first require a mass shunning -- a national revulsion for and rejection of symbols of the previous era. Where are we in that process? The previous chairman of the Federal Reserve, partially responsible for one of the sharpest reversals of national fortune in history, draws huge paychecks from the financial industry and lecture circuit and is quoted frequently by the media. His successor at the Fed, complicit in a string of terrible mistakes, continues in the job with no apparent pressure or inclination to resign. A popular cable TV network covering the financial markets, which at the top of the housing bubble ran segments for viewers on how to invest defined-contribution retirement funds in real estate, is still on the air and people still watch. One of its main personalities, who used the term "Goldilocks economy" to describe the bubble's manic peak, not only still has an on-air forum but is thinking about running for the Senate. A former CEO who did felony jail time a couple of years ago still has a TV show, writes books about cooking, and poses for cameras at public events. A money manager, in the headlines for investing billions in client assets with Bernie Madoff, attends parties in a red velvet smoking jacket. I could go on.
We don't do shame anymore in this country. We used to, though. LBJ spent his last years in poor health, depressed about what he'd done to the country. When Nixon quit he was shunned, his reputation recovering only partially in later years. If Watergate happened today he'd probably be feted at CPAC and given a TV show. There's no shame, because there's been no mass revulsion or rejection to cause it. The bad actors -- and the photographers, book publishers, and TV producers -- get this. Sure, a handful of Wall Street CEO's have been in the hotseat, but that's it.
We'll see if things change as we move along the continuum of ruin. In the "stages of grief" I think we're still in shock/denial, especially in terms of scrambled nest eggs and postponed retirements. Will we get Rod's "reckoning" or "settling of accounts"? I remember something Hunter Thompson wrote, I think in Fear And Loathing: On The Campaign Trail '72, about how most people live in a state of such anxiety and fear that simply getting through each day takes all their energy. A mortgage, tuition, and terrible job market don't leave room for much else. Depending on one's vantage point, economic chaos can have its benefits.
It's breathtaking, literally, to contemplate how these criminals are holding us all hostage -- and how our government let them get away with it during the fat years. I can't imagine what kind of reckoning needs to take place to settle accounts with these people in finance and in government who have done this. But it will come. |
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We don't do shame anymore in this country. We used to, though. LBJ spent his last years in poor health, depressed about what he'd done to the country. When Nixon quit he was shunned, his reputation recovering only partially in later years. If Watergate happened today he'd probably be feted at CPAC and given a TV show. There's no shame, because there's been no mass revulsion or rejection to cause it. The bad actors -- and the photographers, book publishers, and TV producers -- get this. Sure, a handful of Wall Street CEO's have been in the hotseat, but that's it.
We'll see if things change as we move along the continuum of ruin. In the "stages of grief" I think we're still in shock/denial, especially in terms of scrambled nest eggs and postponed retirements. Will we get Rod's "reckoning" or "settling of accounts"? I remember something Hunter Thompson wrote, I think in Fear And Loathing: On The Campaign Trail '72, about how most people live in a state of such anxiety and fear that simply getting through each day takes all their energy. A mortgage, tuition, and terrible job market don't leave room for much else. Depending on one's vantage point, economic chaos can have its benefits.
posted by The Cunning Realist at Wednesday, March 04, 2009
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An exchange from “American Beauty”
LESTER: (looks around room) Well, now I know how you can afford all this equipment. When I was your age, I flipped burgers all summer just to be able to buy an eight track.
RICKY: That sucks.
LESTER: No actually, it was great. All I did was party and get laid.
9smiles) I had my whole life ahead of me....
RICKY: My dad thinks I pay for all this with catering jobs.
(looks at Lester) Never underestimate the power of denial.
Great article, CR. The NYT article linked in the Cruncy Con article was informative as well.
I think a reckoning could come. But things have to get worse first. The expectation that things will get better soon has to be demolished. The media will do their best to keep people strung along. Plus the myth of the Admirable Capitalist is strong in this country. The myth that unlimited capitalism is always a good thing is so ingrained that it will take a while for people to come around to a different idea. Europe does not have this problem, and we see them in the streets in their countries.
A day of reckoning for these banksters could happen. But it will take more pain and a cultural shift.
For those of us who do not live in the Wall St/DC bubble that time has already come.
Most people, even if they are financially comfortable, know friends and family that were also comfortable, who in a matter of months, now live hand to mouth or on the kindness of others.
The time is ripe for taking these crooks down.
Wait until there is a food shortage, or until prices get so high that people can't afford food. Even then, though, I think you'll see people turn to crime rather than against the people who caused the problems. The problems we're facing are so complex, and the people likely to suffer the most so uneducated about these problems, that I don't know if justice will ever be done.
Great post. I can tell you from the perspective of an MBA candidate that ethics and the destructive power of moral hazard are front and center in much of our discussion and analysis of macroeconomics, finance and the leadership role of firms within this environment. That said, the real world is overflowing with bad actors. We did a deep dive economic analysis of GE 3 months ago, and the firm looked stable at a share price in the range of $14-16 (my own sentiment was 'buy') and the market is still looking for a bottom today pulling good and bad down with it. Where does $11 Trillion dollars in wealth disappear to? Who's your hedge fund manager? Still betting on the downside? Ravenous greed is burning a blazing hole through the wealth of this nation. Read it in Adam Smith: the economic value of the firm is directly correlated to the economic health of the community it serves. The short players today may be winning the battle, but ultimately they are losing the war. Ironically, their hypercapitalist value extraction may mean the death of capitalism itself.
Damn, posts like these are why I read this blog. (Also much applause to the Anonymous commentator who quoted American Beauty: never, never underestimate the power of denial.)
TCR, you're so right. Not only is shame and accountability a thing of the past, but we're also in denial about the reasons for shame. (Or maybe the latter caused the former.)
And yet still the loony fringe of politics and economics insists that business and Capitalism can be trusted to self-regulate "because it's in their own best interests". From where I'm standing, it sure looks like, when one makes a big, costly, dangerous, destructive mistake, one's "best interest" dictates denial and obfuscation. As TCR points out for Alan Greenspan, you get paid a lot of money for denial and obfuscation, whereas admitting culpability doesn't pay you a red cent. For that reason, there needs to be outside regulation, however imperfect and onerous.
Wow, what a post CR. Just Wow. Sad but true. The anger is below the surface right now for the most part. But it is there, for sure.
JWC
Excellent post.
"The problems we're facing are so complex, and the people likely to suffer the most so uneducated about these problems, that I don't know if justice will ever be done."
Very true, but we are also very complaisant in this country, or have been in the recent few decades. As noted above, they take to the streets in Europe, but what did we do for 8 years of the Bush Crime Family depradations? Nada thing, or not much at any rate.
The uneducated folk are also likely to get their explanations of complex problems from demogoges like Limbaugh and Hannity, which is a recipe for the rise of a lumpen/fascist movement. I think, however, that if needed measures aren't forthcoming in the immediate weeks ahead, it will be a moot point. The systemic collapse is gathering steam, worldwide, and is likely to cause not only a "depression", but a breakdown collapse of civilization, on a par with the fourteenth century "little dark age". Only with a lot more people, with a lot more sophisticated weaponry.
When a physician palpates a patient's stomach s/he is
feeling for potentially cancerous tumors. Lumps.
Here, you are the physician. You have identified a large tumor. Most others have missed it, or made the choice to ignore it.
The question now is: will the patient chose to ignore until it is too late to treat?
Right now many houses are on fire and all of the fireman are doing their best to put it out.
The fire will either be put out so portions of the houses will be saved, or they all burn to the ground.
Then the fire investigators will look for the sources of the fires to determine the origins and if each case was arson or accidental.
If arsons are found to be the cause then investigations ensue.
Arson is against the law, and those responsible, if found, will be prosecuted.
I don't have alot of confidence in the "if found".
I voted for Obama because I thought he would have a better chance to defuse the almost certain civil unrest. I recently substituted "prosecutions" for Obama as our best shot. Without a "unifying" sense of justice for both the left and right, I'm not sure the scapegoating from each side can be ontained. It is already gaining momentum, eg. Limbaugh. Not only should prosecutions begin, but we need them more than we know.
I think we could see some civil unrest in a matter of months. Winter is almost over in some parts of the country, and many college students will soon return home for summer break - perhaps indefinitely due to a lack of funds. Unrest will most likely come from those who realize they have nothing left to lose, or there are worse things than receiving a swift crack across the shoulders from a policeman’s baton and spending a night or two in jail. The authorities will do their best to avoid anything resembling a show trial for Madoff, but an intelligent activist could attempt to use it to his advantage . . . ;-)
Molotov cocktail anyone?
I am not expecting processions of flagellating former masters of the universe, either.
Ah, Goldilocks Kudlow. So much to quote. From February 2007 (you can read it all here)
Stocks are the best barometer of future business and economic health. They are signaling that the wealth of the nation currently and prospectively looks excellent.
[...] The supply-side model is very much in place right now.
[...] Mr. Bush and his Fed appointee, Ben Bernanke, have pulled a fast one. They have restored the Ronald Reagan approach to non-inflationary growth economics: tight money and low tax rates
[...]The recessionists are wrong. The bears are wrong. The pessimists are wrong. The doom and gloom crowd is wrong.
We are witnessing the Bush/Bernanke boom. It is still the greatest story never told.
I had not read such clueless ideological certainty since the Wired magazine paeans to the New Economy right before the high-tech bubble burst. Truly, Kudlow has left us a string of "permanently high plateau" quotes for the age.
Don't look to Obama's SEC to provide any kind of reckoning.
From today's WSJ
"The SEC said it filed and settled administrative and cease-and-desist proceedings against eight firms, including the Susquehanna's Susquehanna Investment Group unit and Goldman's Goldman Sachs Execution & Clearing LP and SLK-Hull Derivatives LLC units.
According to the SEC, the eight firms engaged in unlawful proprietary trading on the American Stock Exchange, the Chicago Board Options Exchange and the Philadelphia Stock Exchange. Without admitting or denying the agency's findings, the firms agreed to pay a combined $22.7 million in disgorgement and more than $4.3 million in penalties."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123619277611831671.html?mod=todays_us_money_and_investing
So Goldman Sachs stole money, were caught and they were already under a CDO from a previous and bigger case of frontrunning in 2004.
But no individual was held responsible, disbarred, fined or imprisoned.
Goldman Sachs just had to give up their stolen profits with a fine amounting to 20% of their take.
SEC 2009 = Chicago Cops 1929
Don't look to Obama's SEC to provide any kind of reckoning.
From today's WSJ
"The SEC said it filed and settled administrative and cease-and-desist proceedings against eight firms, including the Susquehanna's Susquehanna Investment Group unit and Goldman's Goldman Sachs Execution & Clearing LP and SLK-Hull Derivatives LLC units.
According to the SEC, the eight firms engaged in unlawful proprietary trading on the American Stock Exchange, the Chicago Board Options Exchange and the Philadelphia Stock Exchange. Without admitting or denying the agency's findings, the firms agreed to pay a combined $22.7 million in disgorgement and more than $4.3 million in penalties."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123619277611831671.html?mod=todays_us_money_and_investing
So Goldman Sachs stole money, were caught and they were already under a CDO from a previous and bigger case of frontrunning in 2004.
But no individual was held responsible, disbarred, fined or imprisoned.
Goldman Sachs just had to give up their stolen profits with a fine amounting to 20% of their take.
SEC 2009 = Chicago Cops 1929
Shame, yes. Revenge, NO!
And the more chaos, the less time people have to spend on anything more than basic needs.
I wonder what HST would be writing about all this.
Even if there are mass protests will they be shown on the T.V.? Not likely.
ALOHA !!
Its the MIDDLEMAN STUPID!
Here is my flow chart of money in America.
US TREASURY>>>US FED>>>WE THE PEOPLE
Here is a flow chart for money at Vegas casinos.
WE THE PEOPLE>>>MAFIA>>>CASINO
What is the common denominator? The MIDDLEMAN ... who sits there skimming fees and interest from WE THE PEOPLE.
GET RID OF THE MIDDLEMAN!
On a slightly different note. Ron Paul has introduced Bill HR1207, THE FEDERAL RESERVE TRANSPARENCY ACT.
There is a rally in St Louis, Missouri and if you go to the CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY website you can read all about it and see who will be there. March 27-29, 2009. If you are serious about REAL CHANGE then get involved and quit complaining about it or waiting for OBAMA and OPRAH to save you!
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When (and why) did we lose shame as a country?
Rod Dreher is the last person that has any expertise on the markets and where we are. His pontifications are legendary in Dallas.
I wish that you would stick to your expert linking and analysis to anybody but Dreher's latest spews.
Oh man, I'm with you.
imho, the last time we were outraged was Iran-Contra gate. That didn't stick long. They got pardoned and get paid for speaking. Although, the S&L debacle didn't get much outrage and that was the same time period. We continued with our lack of outraged when Limbaugh got a TV show in the 90's and said disgusting things about the First Lady and daughter. Where were the Evangelicals then, in bed already with the Republican party. My first "shock and awe" experience was Limbaugh on TV. Karl "Rovian tactics" and the money in our politics, are considered legit, and no outrage. I just read that Gupta decided against the Surgeon General Position because he wouldn't make enough money. If true, that's a huge problem for the future of our Democracy. Politicians accept the corruption because everyone has to do it to get money to get elected. I do wonder how much of the criminal element, (i.e., mob) is in our politics, and on Wall Street. When people in power think gay people are our biggest problem, but don't have a issue with corruption in politics and Wall Street/financial markets, all commonsense outrage has left. Don't you think the most appalling lack of outrage was the 2000 election. For a great Democracy with all its money and tech, it was a complete shame.
Jon Stewart and David Letterman seem to be 2 people who are outraged. The rest of the "media" not so much. Stewart had a good line on Letterman. He said there are 3 financial networks, and all of them knew what was going on during the buildup to this mess, and now they all are crying they don't know. Let's be honest, they never knew. They were cheerleaders. If they don't go away, I hope it becomes a requirement that they must show a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen, 24x7, large print, "entertainment only", as should all infomercials. And, what's really sad, ordinary, hard working men and women, of many professions that make good and great contributions to society (I'm assuming we care), were subjected to this circus and hurt, and may never recover. For example, a guy begins to work 2 or 3 jobs, or works consecutive 3 shifts, stops paying his insurance, stops taking his medication, he's under terrible stress, lacks sleep, and drops over from a heart attack, and leaves a wife and kids. A good family man, doing no harm, paying his own way, trying to do the right thing w/in this environment. We allowed Wall Street to create this environment that killed this family. Isn't it outrageous that Madoff could steal from Elie Wiesel charity, and there is more news about Octomom than this tragedy. Madoff was suppose to be this great Wall Street person, chairman of the Nasdaq, and he is the financial equivalent of Hitler. Wall Street if not stole, created an impossible, unsustainable situation for Americans, the very people who are working hard to find solutions to medical problems, they stole from teachers and librarians, from plumbers and bridge builders. In our Nation, this financial tragedy does as much damage to the soul of a family and society as murder. There is so much lost opportunity here. People who are trying to focus on a profession, make a contribution to society, and keep their family together, now are subjected to the roller coaster disaster that Wall Street built. When I look at the Chicago Board of Trade, or the NYSE and look on the floor, I see almost all white men. Perhaps this is unfair, and I certainly don't like this kind of talk, but imho, most of the harm I've received in my lifetime has been by white men.
Former KB Home CEO indicted on fraud charges
This was a popular company for investment clubs. They cared about the charts showing earning and profits - 15% every year so you double your money every 5. But they forgot to read the SEC reports, didn't care about outrageous compensation, lack of transparency, or how the business was run. It was like Las Vegas, baby :-(. I saw an executive speak from another company, after the tech bubble and all the chaos in mutual funds, like Strong Funds. He said, many of the very people who were part of the corruption during the tech bubble, were now highly paid speakers at company events. In other words, no outrage. Things continued after 2000 bubble burst that greatly added to our current financial state.
We will know things have changed if the Bernie Madoff's are in jail for life and all family assets sold off to reimburse. Or, maybe we should establish a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" like S. Africa, and all monies go to rebuild. Madoff (or as people pronounce made-off) obviously wasn't a great man and professional, he was an awful man and professional. A monster one could say. What is it about Wall Street that makes men become so evil? :-(
Contrite? They are emboldened now. They are shoving it in our faces. This week the basic outline of the smash and grab job on the Treasury which Paulson designed, starting probably in about 2004, and was apparent to the financially knowledgeable and skeptical, from exactly one year ago when Bear went down has become common knowledge.
Krugman for Gods sake is calling them out and what was the response.
Nothing.
Vague rumblings that maybe Tim G should go. Thus leaving the Treasury building to the Goldman boys.
It should be noted the lack of bodies to fill the top chairs at Treasury is not the damn vetting process or Senatorial holds but that for several months nobody even thought about it. Well that's too kind. The vacuum at Treasury was a design.
When we find the market bottom. Surely lower for the vultures expect lower do yourself a favor. Buy GS. You're grandchildren will thank you.
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You can find really some well-known diet program methods which might be depending on the theory of fasting nonetheless they would be the kinder type. Indeed, fasting sets the body to starvation mode demanding a single to remove selected sorts of foods apart from probably just one or two. A great illustration is the fruit fasting. With this fasting method, the person is essential to feed on fruits - uncooked fruits, fruit juices, fruit shakes. The exact same goes when one employs the bread fasting.
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In step with workout to lose weight, exercising is very important to shedding weight, because it may help to restrict your calorie consumption. Whenever you burn up off energy, with all the usage of physical exercise, your body absorbs less calories. This is certainly what makes it doable available for you to lose weight. Although your very first nevertheless could be to get started on doing exercises around doable, correct away, you might desire to refrain from executing so. For those who arent commonly physically energetic, it is best to start out gradual. This should substantially reduce your risk of injuries.
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Sustaining a fat decline journal is just one of many exceptional straightforward fat loss ideas to stay on track of the target is to publish down your thoughts. You might employ this journal to keep report of the way you are achieving concerning your workout and diet program, what your targets are, how your feelings are, your potential frustrations or just about anything that improves your inner thoughts.Set your intellect to write down day to day with your journal. Expressing things in writing may very well be of true good support suitable for you to keep on target and determined. After you keep to the diet regime and doing exercises plans, you will reduce weight and advance towards the sort of body you are pursuing.
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Fasting became a sensational situation when fat watchers adopted this generally spiritual or spiritual program to create a good body weight reduction strategy. Plenty of health professionals detest this option strategy expressing it really is surely not great for your overall body simply because a great deal of vitamins and minerals are dropped for the duration of the fasting period. That is in the way accurate but only when one particular fails to arrange correctly for fasting, or when they will not rapidly safely.
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