Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Stolen

As the financial crisis fades and yet another Fed-induced bubble inflates, we're starting to see some of the enduring social effects of the past year. One of these is what I call "the heist meme." This is the belief -- correct, in my view -- that the various bailouts of the financial sector essentially constitute the largest theft in history. This idea is everywhere; do a Google search for combined terms like "Wall Street" and "robbery." It seems to get traction as the public gets perspective on past events via news reports like this. Bloomberg's Susan Antilla on the upshot:

“I want these swine prosecuted,” wrote Robert Carlini of Richmond, Michigan, an auto-industry executive who says he is a “staunch conservative.”

In the 14 years I’ve written columns for Bloomberg News, I’ve had plenty of feedback from investors who said they lost money at the hands of corrupt brokers, plus a steady stream of vitriol from financial executives who say I’m clueless, stupid, and deserve to lose my job.

I have never, though, been bombarded with anything like the fury and frustration expressed this time by people far removed from Wall Street, ranging from computer programmers to administrative assistants to the caretaker of an estate. ...

Off Wall Street, the rage is palpable. Several readers said they were so enraged that acts of violence were called for against figures in finance.

The heist meme has associated psychological effects. One of these is a developing disconnect between the stock market and the public. During the Reagan years the public became invested in the stock market, both financially and psychologically; what was good for the market and Wall Street was good for Main Street. That connection got exponentially stronger in the mid and late 1990s. The bailouts severed it. Now the public -- again, correctly in my view -- seems to resent every stock market advance as benefiting the same individuals and institutions that got bailed out. Has there ever been a 60% gain in the Dow that's been more hated? This is a sea change in the public's perception of the financial markets, one that I think will last for years and possibly decades. (Side note: One might think Obama and the Democrats, by failing to resolve the ongoing outrage of "too big to fail," ignore the anger at their peril. As the "staunch conservative" shows in the Bloomberg article above, this issue would be an opportunity for Republicans if they weren't in the financial industry's pocket. But they are, and they would rather rant about ACORN anyway.)

One of Wall Street's greatest self-serving achievements since the mid 1990s, with the help of policymakers especially at the Fed, was to make the stock market an institution in American life. When people have basic institutions yanked from them or discredited, whether it's through the destruction of their retirement savings or government-facilitated mass theft, they don't forget it easily. That doesn't mean they get in the streets, as the strangely serene sidewalks in front of the Fed and Wall Street firms demonstrate. But this is the sort of thing that festers. A couple of months ago I saw a clip of a show that Oprah Winfrey did on the economy. One of her guests was a minister from the Midwest who was either retired or close to it. He was despondent. What struck me was his loss of faith in institutions and ideas he had believed in his entire life: the stock market, banks, government, policymakers, regulators, prudence, playing by the rules, the system. One got the sense that even his faith in religion, the main institution in his life, had weakened. He seemed completely adrift.

Losing fundamental institutions can mean different things for different people. Individuals can turn to religion, family, hobbies, or alcohol and drugs. As a nation it can be harder, especially when the institutions represented something as basic as economic security and there's a widespread perception that unpunished -- indeed, rewarded -- impropriety played a role in their loss. As the heist meme spreads, I keep remembering something Thomas Mann said about the lasting impact of early-1920s economic events in his country: "Having been robbed, the Germans became a nation of robbers."

55 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought I was the only one angry.
It is reassuring others feel the same. Reassuring .... not helpful.

Now what happens?

11/17/2009 11:33 AM  
Blogger Vijay said...

Well written, Sir

11/17/2009 2:14 PM  
Blogger DB said...

I believe Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs and O'Reilly are passing out pitchforks.

11/17/2009 2:35 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Its nice to hear a familiar voice. I've just rediscovered this blog after about 1.5 years. My old system was lost to the scrap heap of a failed drive and I lost all my bookmarks.

The saddest part about this heist, an appropriate term, is that many of the facts and players were known at the time. Other ideas for how to execute a "bailout" were proffered. Panic once again ruled as the Bush administration came to a close.

11/17/2009 2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was theft and it is theft. I have no idea what should be
done about it, but something should be happen. I am not a financial expert, but the system no longer works for most people. I think most people realize it, but are unsure about what to do. The guy who comes up with a plan and has the ability to sell it to the public will become king.

11/17/2009 3:06 PM  
Blogger Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

"I keep remembering something Thomas Mann said about the lasting impact of early-1920s economic events in his country: 'Having been robbed, the Germans became a nation of robbers.'"

The essence of 'trickle-down' economics revealed.

11/17/2009 3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no sympathy for Mr. hard-core conservative. They vote these guys in, they gut the regulatory system, change as many rules as they can into their favor (banksters), huge risks accumulate to the point that the small government sham artists cry for a public bailout, they've been voted out of office, and now were back to the meme that all government is bad and we need to throw the bums out! (the poor bastards now in office trying to sweep all the shit out of the streets).

We need to break up these giant financial companies, and get back to local banks and local loans. We need our stimulus money to go into infrastructure. We need a small government, but a dedicated, competent, and efficient government. We need to cut our military budget to about 25% of it's present size. Republicans have no credibility, and Democrats have little to no spine for the job.

11/17/2009 7:40 PM  
Blogger Cam Hui, CFA said...

What if the social fabric starts to tear?

http://humblestudentofthemarkets.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-if-social-fabric-tears.html

11/17/2009 10:30 PM  
Anonymous KAIMU said...

ALOHA!!

Excellent Mr. C Realist ... Excellent!!

What we continually see are traits of a MONOPOLY being enacted before our very eyes, a MONEY MONOPOLY. Somehow US Anti-Trust laws were applauded for Standard Oil but aren't even considered for the US FED, which is just a cartel of private banks much like the "Seven Sisters" were a cartel of oil companies.

THEY(the US FED and member banks)get the DISCOUNT WINDOW and WE "the people" get 25% credit cards! THEY are privileged and we are not. Try to find the phrase "private central bank" in the US CONSTITUTION. It's not only Anti-Trust but class action "discrimination".

You cannot have honesty in the US Congress so long as no honesty exists in our monetary system.

GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY ...

Therefore ...

- ELIMINATE THE US FED
- ELIMINATE INCOME TAXES

As Clinton would say ... IT'S THE MONEY STUPID!

11/17/2009 10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One might think Obama and the Democrats, by failing to resolve the ongoing outrage of "too big to fail," ignore the anger at their peril. As the "staunch conservative" shows in the Bloomberg article above, this issue would be an opportunity for Republicans if they weren't in the financial industry's pocket. But they are, and they would rather rant about ACORN anyway

There's really nothing to say about the Republicans. They've been lying criminals, goading the absolute worst instincts of the most desperate, for -- well, pretty much my entire adult life. This final, degenerate form that they're in has been inevitable. Anybody who's STILL a card-carrying Republican deserves the same kind of blatant scorn that junkies and pedophiles know.

However.... I devoutly hope that I'm wrong about this, but I fear that Obama has truly fucked the pooch. He should have come out of his inauguration swinging. He should have declared open political and legal warfare on the finance "industry" explicitly and often. And he should have backed it up with genuine action: Nationalizations, anti-trust break-ups, bulldog prosecutions. This would have been 1) just, and 2) sound political strategy. Let Republican degenerates champion the heroes of Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.

Instead, Obama -- and more, the whores who infest Congress -- are a centimeter away from making the Democratic Party **totally** identified with the plutocratic oligarchy. It's such incredible political stupidity that I can't really believe it's entirely the usual short-term myopic idiocy. I'm thinking that "Devil take the hindmost" is now the mindset among our political elites. In the USSR, it was that same mentality, that same demoralization in the Communist Party managerial elite, that brought the regime down, and brought in the tycoons.
-- sglover

11/17/2009 10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the bankers realized they made a huge error in taking TARP. It was way too transparent. From now on the bankers will prosper via hidden subsidies.
The concessions to Goldman and MS granting them access to the Fed discount window was an immense favor which few members of the public understand.
Just think, it took Warren Buffett 45 years to build up zero cost funds (via insurance float) of $60B. Goldman and MS were granted zero cost funding of their $1,000B balance sheets at a stroke of Paulson and Bernanke's pen.

11/17/2009 11:03 PM  
Anonymous KAIMU said...

ALOHA !!

The "tycoons" have been in charge since 1913!

On Monday, Nov 16th, I saw the largest single day "interest payment" on US DEBT ever ... $21.2BIL USD. TO celebrate the US Treasury issued another $90.2BIL USD in "marketable" US Treasury Notes and Bonds and another $191.1BIL USD in "non-marketable" Government Series securities. Having the "redemptions" fail on the same day produced a $40BILUSD one day increase in the US PUBLIC DEBT to $11.975TRIL USD. The debt ceiling is set at $12.1TRIL USD. I doubt that Obama and Geithner will announce raising the debt ceiling to $14TRIL while they are busy playing PR with our largest creditor ... the Communist Chinese government. They will no doubt wait until their China trip is over. However this will be the 70th year the US Congress has been playing the "debt ceiling game", which started in 1940 with FDR. I think I hear those Chinese students laughing ...

It is unquestionable that the TWO PARTY POLITICAL MONOPOLY of the DEMS and REPS has partnered with the MONEY MONOPOLY of the US FED. This is once again the classical struggle of US against THEM. Those with political and monetary privilege against those without.

IT IS WHAT IT IS ...

11/17/2009 11:09 PM  
Blogger Jimmy the Saint said...

Anon 3:06,
Where is Huey Long when we need him?

11/18/2009 1:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to say that one wonder why people had faith in the stock market. Seriously. It was and is a gamble and who in their right minds places any faith in a gamble.

11/18/2009 9:47 AM  
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Anonymous Thomas Daulton said...

Two and a half years ago on this blog, we had a discussion about "When do the Democrats 'own' the Iraq war?" Jury's still out on that one, I think. An honest history, if such things are ever written, will note the continuing American presence (and casualties) under Obama's Presidency. Meanwhile Obama is surely considering the same question in Afghanistan: if I send 40,000 more troops, can they 'win' this thing, or will it just become that much bigger a millstone around my neck?

Meanwhile, here at chez-TCR, we might be asking the same question about the Financial Crisis. When does Obama 'own' the bailouts? Depending what poll you look at, 60% of respondents still blame Bush for the financial mess, but how long will that last? Naturally my conservative relatives are all talking as if the bailouts were entirely Obama's idea. When I remind them that the original bailout was passed before the election, they say, "Well Bush did some things I don't agree with, but Obama is ten times worse."

How many bailouts will it take before that attitude spreads to the general population? Considering that, y'know, the financial institutions are not using the bailout money to promote jobs nor loosen credit, and doing so doesn't appear to be in the institutions' interest anytime in the near future.

The bipartisan nature of the outrage is worth note. It's not only the Wall Street brokers who are out of touch with Main Street, but also, of course, both parties' political leadership. Most rank-and-file Republicans I talk to, now seem to be tired of being "in the financial industry's pocket", as noted above. They're trying to paint this as a purely Democrat, "big-government" economic policy, of course, but they have some common ground here with the rank-and-file Democrats, even if neither group will admit it at the moment.

So, either this simmering resentment might light a fire under a few politicians to craft some real reform... or, some charismatic dictator type will come along, unite both groups against the establishment, and then... much as I think the establishment deserves to be swept away... a skillful manipulator can have the bulk of the nation chasing any phantom he chooses, and sky's-the-limit on atrocities committed in our name.

11/18/2009 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Key word: fester. As in the historical example, years can pass before the anger takes shape.

11/18/2009 1:48 PM  
Anonymous Goldhorder said...

sglover... I swore there was no hope for you. That you were hopelessly lost in your love of the Democratic party. You are almost there though! Remember all those police shows when you were growing up? Tbe good cop, bad cop routine. The Dems are the good cops. Feel lucky though. They don't want to put you prison. They just want you to continue paying your tax dollars and supporting government. You see... The whole thing falls apart if too many people lose faith. If you are supporting the US government you are supporting Wall Street, The military complex, The old money Caregie, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc. dream of a one world government. Controlled by them of course... Just like the Nazis, just like Churchill, just like Mao, just like Stalin, just like Napoleon, just like Alexander... Lol

11/18/2009 10:28 PM  
Anonymous Goldhorder said...

Oh.... Btw... The dems are 5 miles past that mark. You are looking forward when you need a telescope to see what passed. Lol

11/18/2009 10:30 PM  
Anonymous Goldhorder said...

Oh... man... Mr sglover took a step forward and Mr. Daulton regressed. Lol. Really? R u kidding me? Are you people capable of recognizing any reality? All of you... Your public school education is a triumph and roadmap for all future authoritarian governments to follow. Wow....

11/18/2009 10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sglover... I swore there was no hope for you. That you were hopelessly lost in your love of the Democratic party.

That's because you evidently place more stock in the arguments that you think people are making, instead of what they actually say.

My post in this thread is not at all the first expressing disappointment and dismay about the Dems. I think that in general I'm far more **likely** to blast the Dems than the other crowd, if only because, as I said, the other crowd isn't even worth discussing. And I'm pretty sure that I was always candid about my lukewarm support for Obama.

In any case, as disappointing as he has been, Obama **still** is preferable to the geezer/nutcase duo: Voting against them was, pure and simple, a vote against an airstrike on Tehran. McCain & Palin were plainly too goddam stupid to comprehend the damage they could do, **precisely** like that man-child idiot Bush. There's absolutely no shame in voting against **that**.
-- sglover

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Well written" - Yes!

People had to invest in the stock market with the demise of the traditional pension. Wall Street took every advantage of non-Wall Street people and this environment with devious practices, marketing, lobbying/buying politicians, and heavy number manipulation.

When you work hard (whether manufacturing or PhD) all your life, played by the rules, and a lot of your savings is gone, at the same time the big guys, Wall Street, abused the system at your expense, got private rulings, and bailed out, yeh, it should have an effect. Hopefully people take positive action, and do more than just pray and have faith. For a Democracy to survive, people have to be educated and active, and have a healthy media to investigate.

Our politicians are bought and paid for by the highest contributors (i.e., Wall Street), and they say what they need to say, when they need to say it, when it is needed by their masters.

A population of 300+ million, and there are 2 voices.

Where are all the Republicans like you? :-(

"Elizabeth Warren: We Rescued The Top Of The System, Left The Bottom To Fend For Itself (VIDEO)"

"Blankfein: We Were Dicks, We Admit It" by Matt Taibbi

11/19/2009 2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting new rumblings in Congress about the need for Geithner and Summers to resign.

11/19/2009 3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thomas D, any opinion on Palin's potential to be that "skillful manipulator"?

11/19/2009 5:47 PM  
Anonymous Florida Mom said...

Anon at 5:47 - Ever read Nate Silver at 538? He gives 10 reasons why Palin could win the Republican nomination, and he does a most excellent piece on it. Check him out.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/10-reasons-that-sarah-palin-could-win.html

I still do not know how to hotlink on blogger, so if anyone wants to jump in and give me a helping hand, I would appreciate that. :)

Excellent piece. I'm waiting for America to wake UP!

11/19/2009 8:27 PM  
Blogger Chuck Ponzi said...

Anon 2:33

There are a LOT of republicans that are very dissatisfied with their party, that was evident in the last election if you need any proof. Even my parents have become enraged at what's going on, though they're still spoonfed that rage by fox news.

On the other hand, I don't see how any republican or democrat with any heart or mind could stand behind either party at this point. There are only 2 options that I see available to us; pitchforks or guns.

Goldman is an extension of the finance-housing industrial complex machine that includes both parties, Congress, the White House, and Federal Reserve. We are a nation at war with our government and Goldman. Buffet can stick that in his pipe and smoke it. If there was a financial 9-11, Goldman was the Alqaeda that planned it, and Paulson is our Bin Laden.

That these guys are financial terrorists is not debateable (give us 700B or we'll blow up your country); how we decide to hang or shoot them afterwards is. Personally, I'd like to see Guantanamo back in use for all employees of the AIG financial division, Goldman, the Congress, both presidents, Treasury Secretaries, FED board members, and throw in a few hundred thousand mortgage brokers to boot.

The sad thing to see here is the partisan stupidity. You could take sglover's entire rant and replace the word "Republican" with "Democrat" and it'd have the same meaning.

Sadly, the next stop, I fear is a totalitarian regime, because as Thomas above says,
a skillful manipulator can have the bulk of the nation chasing any phantom he chooses, and sky's-the-limit on atrocities committed in our name.

Ugh. Sucks to be American right now.

11/19/2009 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Goldhorder said...

I disagree with u sglover on that point. You see... The best thing that could have happened to the U S A is a 3 rd Bush term. The public had turned completely against that administration and were offering real resistance to the wars, the bailouts, the corruption, etc. All that was washed away when the black charasmatic pretty boy promised "change". The worst thing that happened...happened... Goldman Sachs and the boys got a new lease on life... Thanks to Obama and your support. Btw. I'm still buying gold and silver and getting the same arguments since 2003 about what a bubble gold is in and how only an idiot would buy gold. I should have been born Chinese or Indian. I don't fit in with this crowd!

11/19/2009 9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big opportunity right now for a third party on this stuff, even more so than Perot in '92. Whether that candidate is out there somewhere is another issue.

11/19/2009 9:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, the outraged Republicans who thought that the only thing that could save us the last election was electing another Republican. And the beat goes on.

Who wrote Dow 36,0000? Who defended it and promoted it? Republicans. How soon they forger.

Michelle Bachman praising the tax cut induced roaring 20's and it's economy. Ended in a crash! Worse than Bush's. Oh wait that was Obama's fault. And the beat goes on.

11/20/2009 12:28 AM  
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11/21/2009 1:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like "Chuck Ponzi" needs to review his phonics:

The sad thing to see here is the partisan stupidity. You could take sglover's entire rant and replace the word "Republican" with "Democrat" and it'd have the same meaning.

Right, ace. Plainly my remarks were nothing but hosannas to the Dems. Is the "least bad" concept too complicated for you?
-- sglover

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