Friday, July 28, 2006

We Get Mail

From the inbox:
I've been a reader of yours for about a year. I find your writing clear and honest (especially your economic analysis, more of that please). However I thought your comments about Israel's accidental bombing of the U.N. post were out of character. The bombing was clearly a mistake, and your implication that it was otherwise or somehow fit a pattern is something I would expect to find on a rabidly anti-Semitic forum. Not what I expect to read from you, hence this email. Please say it's not so.
It's not so. The post to which the reader refers did three things: 1) Note the language used by Kofi Annan, which was extraordinary for a Secretary-General of the United Nations, 2) Observe that the timing of the bombing was an interesting coincidence, given the increasingly active role the U.N. had been playing in the previous few hours and days, and 3) Put the incident into possible historical context, given a similar one in the past that I (and others in a far better position to know---see names and quotes here) believe strongly was not a mistake.

Supporters of Israel need to understand that reflexive insinuations of anti-Semitism do nothing to help their cause. I've dated Jewish women and been married to one, with whom I celebrated many Passovers and read from the Haggadah. I've invested in Israeli companies; one such investment was among my most profitable ever. I've long been a supporter of Israel's right to defend itself. But that support, once open-ended, has ebbed in recent years. I think Israel has far too much influence over our foreign policy, often to our detriment---abundantly clear right now vis-a-vis Lebanon. There's not only influence, there's access. I watch Israel repeatedly penetrate the most sensitive areas of our government; earlier this year, a senior Pentagon intelligence analyst received a lengthy jail term for passing confidential information to AIPAC, and Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard remains in jail---with his legal fees for the past twenty years paid by Israel. Fox News, of all outfits, did a provocative multipart report on this subject; while Fox has since removed the report from its website, it's still viewable here and I recommend watching it. Moreover, after 9/11 we learned of a group of five Israelis who danced and celebrated (and were subsequently arrested and jailed for months while the U.S. investigated their ties to Israeli intelligence) while filming the WTC from across the Hudson River as people I knew burned alive or jumped to their deaths. I listened to Benjamin Netanyahu---asked on 9/11 what the attacks meant for the relationship between the U.S. and Israel---gush "It's very good." (Call me crazy, but I've learned to be wary of any relationship in which the other party benefits from my troubles.) We're bogged down in a disastrous war undertaken at least in part to benefit Israel, with another possibly on the horizon. And of course I spend part of every workday supporting all this; inexplicably, Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. aid after Iraq.

In light of the above, excuse me if sometimes I wonder how the U.S. benefits from a supposedly reciprocal relationship with this putative ally.

Note: A few readers asked for more information about the "celebrating Israelis" I mentioned. In addition to this feature in The Sunday Herald and this report in the Jewish-American weekly Forward, the NYT report on it is here.


Anonymous Fel said...

Good, brave commentary, TCR. This oversensitivity and bias toward Israel simply must come to a stop. The preponderance of US public opinion in support of Bush and Israel in this catastrophe makes me sick to my gut just the way the country went with Bush once he invaded Iraq. (Something usually overlooked,however, is that public opinion was very much divided BEFORE Bush flipped the switch.)

And by the way what is the latest on the (accidental?) bombing of the UN post?

7/28/2006 5:50 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...


I have no ideas regarding whether you are, or aren't "anti-semitic." Your e-mailer didn't accuse you of such; in fact he was careful to say that your recent rhetoric seemed to be "something [he] would expect to find on a rabidly anti-Semitic forum."

Yet you opened the second paragraph with a seeming superfluous emumeration of the Jewish gals you've dated, married, attended Seder with, etc. C'mon, CR, the "lots of my friends are Jewish" defense is L-A-M-E. You can do a helluva lot better than that.

And what was it that Gertrude said to Hamlet regarding her "surrogate" in the play Hamlet requested of the Players? I believe the line was, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Further in your defense, you mention the Israelis dancing (I believe you; but I recall images of Palestinians doing the same). What of it?

It's clear to any of your readers that you're very much against US support of Israel. And that's your business to feel that way. Whether you overestimate Israel's influence on US policy is irrelevant to the "anti-semitism question."

Roll with the opinions that form around you; accept that provocative views attract even more provocative views from others.

7/28/2006 6:55 AM  
Anonymous Battlepanda said...

Erm. The reason the "some of my best friends are..." defense is lame is because people elevate aquaintances, poolboys, other incidental characters to "best friend" status in order to prove their PC bonafides. Now, TCR was actually married to a Jewish lady. This makes it a whole diffent ball-game.

I agree with you on one point -- it should be completely unnecessary for TCR to recount his romantic history in order to prove that he's not an anti-semite. But such is the current political climate of this country, where if you disagree with Israeli policies, you are guilty of anti-semetism until you show yourself to be innocent.

7/28/2006 7:57 AM  
Anonymous slomo said...

Right on cue, the insinuations of anti-semitism roll out (both in your mail and mike's protests).

Criticism of the policies of Israel's government is as much anti-semitism as criticism of the policies of the US government is anti-Americanism.

Once again, I must remind everyone that Arabs are "semites" also -- more so, in some ways, than the Ashkenazim who seem to dominate Israel. Israel's current policies and actions doom Jews and Arabs alike to eternal warfare. As such, it is the Israeli government that is anti-semetic.

Note that I am criticizing a government, not a people. The reflexive denunciation of "anti-semitism" is an intellectually cowardly defense that is becoming more transparent with each passing day.

7/28/2006 9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My support for Israel has ebbed too. I fully supported just about anything they did in the past (Being fairly well read on the Holocaust and the Nazi era was probably the basis of it.) However, it seems to me that too often the defenders of Israeli actions fall back on that terrible period as carte blanche for extra-legal activities in both the U.S. and Middle East.

7/28/2006 9:45 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...


I've read CR every day for nearly a year now. I've never once posted to criticize his stance towards Israel. You'll also notice that nowhere in my post did I accuse him of anti-semitism. He's more than entitled to his exceptionally well-reasoned & well-written opinions. Whether or not I agree is irrelevant.

But it was CR, not me, who trundled out the "anti-semitism card." I just told him that it's to be expected. For me to write negatively about Judy Garland, Joan Crawford, The "Fab 5" & Ellen DeGeneris would leave me a bit vulnerable to accusations of homophobia, no? Whether I was or wasn't would be secondary to the fact that the charges are to be expected.

In fact, while I notice the "anti-semite" card being used much as the "anti-american" one is, I think there are more than a few false positives showing up. I didn't play that card (in fact, I'm uncharacteristically unsupportive of Israel's latest adventurism), yet I'm accused of doing so.

At least I'll admit I expected it.

7/28/2006 9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest on the outpost shelling, from the Ottawa Citizen via Talking Points Memo:

7/28/2006 10:15 AM  
Blogger maeldon said...

Back to the point of was the UN Outpost bombing intentional...
the link below gives evidence as to
why it MAY have been.

All the best,

7/28/2006 10:19 AM  
Anonymous slomo said...

Mike, I was not necessarily addressing you (although it seemed to me you were questioning CR a bit on this). But I am definitely not setting up a strawman here. Almost as soon as Israel began bombing southern Lebanon, criticism of Israeli overreaction was met with swift denunciations of anti-semitism.

Is there true anti-semitism? Yes. It would be naive to think otherwise. However, in my experience reading blogs and discussion forums over the past several weeks, I have seen very little criticism of Israel that could be classified as true anti-semitism. Even some of the anti-Jewish remarks I've read can be attributed to hysterical outrage at the actions of Israel, i.e. an emotional conflation of Israel and Jews that is actually promoted by injudicious use of the anti-semitism card.

I would go even further and suggest that the so-called Christians that are cheering on Israel are doing so only because they believe that G_d will fry the Jews after the Rapture. If that's not anti-semitic, I don't know what is.

7/28/2006 10:19 AM  
Blogger Anon. said...

Kudos on not bowing to the typical knee jerk accusation of anti semitism anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the Israeli government.

7/28/2006 10:42 AM  
Blogger Old Lady said...

Look, nobody is perfect. No one religious organization can claim that they follow their dogma 100%; if they did wars would not exist, everyone would be in perfect harmony. I am not backing Isreal in this endeavour. This doesn't mean I am anti-semite. The world has come to the point where we are blowing people up for no REAL good reason and it has got to stop. It no longer matters who is right and who is wrong. The blood is mingling with little or no rational improvement in policy and war mongering. We are now involved in a "holy" pissing contest. It is time to stop evoking the name of our respective God to sanctify a godless blood bath.

7/28/2006 11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One word: OIL

We can solve all our mideast problems if we simply make one of these two choices.

1) We buy the oil we need at whatever price the arabs who control it are willing to sell it to us. Other than this purely commercial relationship, we have nothing further to do with whatever goes on in the mideast.

2) We don't buy the oil. Our economy adjusts with great difficulty, lots of economic damage. But still, we have nothing whatsoever to do with whatever goes on in the mideast.

7/28/2006 11:33 AM  
Blogger owenz said...

The conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism is just incredibly tiresome. Criticizing - even verbally attacking - the policies of sovereign states is considered legitimate political speech in most circumstances. I mean, when was the last time someone got in trouble for verbally attacking the French? Yet for Israel, the rules are different.

Israel is a liberal democracy (a plus) that defies UN resolutions and kills a lot of its neighbors (a minus). It receives an enormous amount of American tax dollars and, rightly or wrongly, its foreign policy missteps directly affect America’s place in the world more than any other ally. If ever there was a country that warranted close scrutiny and vigorous, even heated, debate, it is Israel. But anytime criticism of Israel reaches anything resembling strong condemnation, the anti-Semitism card gets played. Nothing silences dissent than accusations of racism.

Can the rhetoric about Israel get heated and sometimes nasty? Absolutely. But as long as the discussion is confined to Israeli foreign policy – rather than the inherent “traits” of Jews as an ethnic/religious group – it is not anti-Semitic. Period.

Of course, what’s most ironic about the accusations of anti-Semitism is that those being accused – liberals – are the least likely “group” to engage in ethnic and religious stereotyping. Conservatives who are all too willing to savage Arabs, immigrants, and African Americans for their collective behavior routinely pan the liberal focus on “diversity” and "tolerance." These are the same conservatives who are all too willing to caste the War on Terror in religious terms, as a battle of Christianity versus Islam. Yet these conservatives would have us believe that in this one case – the special case of Jews – liberals toss aside their precious “diversity” and embrace the anti-Semitic smears and stereotypes of Nazi Germany, the KKK and al Qaida. This reasoning would be laughable it weren’t so prevalent.

Are there examples anti-Semitism that one can find on the left? Sure. One can find examples of almost any kind of speech in the Internet age. And there are certainly plenty of examples of anti-Semitism in the Arab media, which, I suppose, might be imputed to Israel’s liberal critics in certain circumstances. But the overwhelming bulk of liberal criticism of Israel and its policies is 100% free of ethnic and religious stereotyping. That’s just a fact.

7/28/2006 12:21 PM  
Blogger copy editor said...


Moreover, after 9/11 we learned of a group of five Israelis who danced and celebrated (and were subsequently arrested and jailed for months while the U.S. investigated their ties to Israeli intelligence) while filming the WTC from across the Hudson River as people I knew burned alive or jumped to their deaths.

7/28/2006 12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

walt and mear's..

7/28/2006 12:34 PM  
Blogger Jimmy the Saint said...

Maeldon & others,
Did you know who the Ottawa Citizen is owned by?

Not a source of unbiased news I'd say.

7/28/2006 12:48 PM  
Blogger laughingriver said...


It was a precision guided missle that destroyed the post and killed the observers, clearly it was deliberate.

7/28/2006 1:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Owenz said, "But the overwhelming bulk of liberal criticism of Israel and its policies is 100% free of ethnic and religious stereotyping. That’s just a fact."

Well, not entirely the case. I've found many liberals are quick to do so towards whites. They are quick to defend the rights of other ethnicities to remain distinct in culture, language, and territory, but somehow the mere slightest suggestion that whites, too, have this right, is met with disdain and acusations of bigotry towards other groups. I'm no conservative, but I understand why the phrase, "Liberals are on everybody's team but theirs," has such play. I think it is an over-generalization, but in the case of their disdain towards whites as an ethinicity, it is absolutely true.

7/28/2006 1:35 PM  
Blogger kindness said...

Sometimes, a friend has to be honest with a friend, if only to fully support the friendship.

It's all to easy to write it off as racist. That just means the friend doesn't want to listen. That's their choice, don't blame me when they are surprised by the end result. In this case, the world thinking Israel was too heavy handed.

Now I still think Israel should continue to go after those that attack it. But go after them, not their whole neighborhood.

Is that more difficult? Yes. That's the price of honor & doing what is right.

7/28/2006 2:48 PM  
Anonymous George said...

mike said: Further in your defense, you mention the Israelis dancing (I believe you; but I recall images of Palestinians doing the same). What of it?

Israel is supposed to be our "friend", Mike, that's what of it.

7/28/2006 4:00 PM  
Anonymous sparky said...

Thank you for your post, TCR.

You are not an Anti-Semite.

You are, in fact, echoing the thoughts of those of us who were born and raised to respect and love Israel and our Jewish heritage, but now question her actions, as well as how they are presented on the "liberal" US tv media.

Is it true the Israeli soliders who were "kidnapped" (soldiers are "captured?" were inside Lebanon in the first place? If this is true, why isn't the MSM sharing this with us?

And why don't we hear about how the people we call "terrorists" were the ones providing decent services to the every-day Lebanese citizen?

This all seems so set up.

7/28/2006 4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for this post.

7/28/2006 4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to add another "thank you".


7/28/2006 5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess our american democratic government does not want the world to have a future. I have finally come to this conclusion with a heavy heart.

This war or more like scorched earth policy that is supported by bush and coni will never stop.

One cannot ignore an area like the israeli-arab relationship and than suddenly decide to solve it in a few day while people, yes arabs are people, are slaughtered.

Well there will be NO resolution because Israel is not interested in allowing the Palestinians to have a viable state. They know that they can kill, maime, starve, etc them forever and our government finds this OK. They are just arabs, worthless 3rd class citizens. They more they can kill the better we like it.

No arab politician can accept a gerimandered mini-state, with no resources, water or agricultural, for a state. It is non-viable and will not insure peace anyway.

And there are no incentives for Israel to do that. Why should they. They can go their merry way in butchering arabs, so they lose a citizen for every 100-200 arabs that they kill. WE APPROVE. Why do I say that? When was the last time our government took away one dollar and said a strong word for their brutality, torture or assasination. I know terrorists are fair game, and all palestinians are terroists by birth.

What a wonderful christian and jewish morality.

God help us all.

7/28/2006 5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not one day of my adult life has passed when there hasn't been some reference to IDF attacking, bulldozing, bombing, killing neighboring Palestinians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Syrians, even crushing a protesting U.S. citizen under the tracks of a bulldozer.

These 'defensive' measures often are provoked by children throwing stones, by professors' writings and organizing protests.

Now they've given up Gaza seemingly only to draw Palestinians into a trap, whereby their democratically elected government can be overthrown, stripped of power and their essential infrastructure destroyed.

Now they're again destroying Beirut over the status of two soldiers.

I ask: how does this differ from genocide?

These are the heinous acts of an authoritarian military state, corrupt at its core. The Jewish state, formed as one of the first acts of the United Nations, has not been a very good world citizen.

Remember Jenin.

Suspend U.S. aid to Israel now.

7/28/2006 6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad our Cunning Realist posted links to some of the contemporary reports about the "dancing Israelis." For those that haven't read them, do. It will raise your eyebrows. And please remember that Golan Cipel was in charge of New Jersey's Homeland Security during this time. And who was sponsoring all these visas? With Andrew Sullivan braying about Kos not being pro-Israel enough and John Derbyshire asking an Israeli girl to autograph a missile for him, it's good to see some people are asking responsible questions.

7/28/2006 8:17 PM  
Anonymous JWC said...

I too thank you. My husband and I often have loud but friendly discussions about politics, but this whole thing about Isreal has been very difficult. He refuses to acknowledge that Israel has any fault in this, parroting the talking points from the MSM. He is usually pretty objective and his basic political leanings are very much like CR's, while I am a lifelong Dem who has become MORE Dem since Bush became president.

I am certainly no antisematic. But I think their continued response, after 24 hours, is just plain stupid. The bombing of civilians and infrastructure by a democracy is just beyond me. But then I felt the same way about our foray into Iraq. My husband agrees with me (more or less) about Iraq, but doesn't see it with Israel. I think I will print off CR's first post and have him read it.

I am so scared for our country and my grandchildren.

7/28/2006 11:06 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

Interesting that you and your readers are engaged by the chance to parse the meaning of anti-semitism but unwilling (or unable) to connect the dots regarding 9/11.

What does it mean when
a) it is shown conclusively that Mossad had detailed advance notice of the destruction of the WTC towers;
b) investors with connections to Deutsche Bank (and hence the CIA) made millions on insider trades of very specific stocks (Raytheon, AA, United, Swiss Re, etc.);
c) science (i.e. reality) supports neither the official explanation for the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 nor the official non-explanation for the collapse of WTC 7 (check the melting temp. for structural steel [1575C] vs. the highest temps. recorded in a series of fires in steel-framed parking garages [380C];
d) science fully supports the controlled demolition "theory" for the total destruction of WTC 1, 2 & 7;
e) a media blackout on "tin-foil hat theories" in the US, slavishly emulated by supposedly rational bloggers such as yourself, keeps the populace uninformed and confused?

It means you have been conned and are barking up the wrong tree. Realizing that 9/11 was an inside job executed by elements of Mossad, CIA, FBI, DOD, etc. will not unbomb Beirut, but it casts considerable light on the motives and morality of the main actors. Please discuss.

7/29/2006 11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question: What effect would a Democratic victory in 2008 have on Israel's undue influence?

7/29/2006 12:08 PM  
Anonymous carwinrpc said...

I don't think anyone should be called names for expressing doubts about whether our national interests are best served by shackling our foreign policy to ANY other state. By so unremittingly standing behind Israel, we shelter her from the realities that countries should face when trying to survive in the world. By offering virtually unqualified support we also to an uncomfortable degree relinquish control over our own foreign policy.

Would most Americans support any other country if the government of that country persistently supported the establishment of illegal outposts on the sovereign territory of another nation(going to the extent of arming the interlopers)? Or if they had actively supported at least one spy(Pollard) whose legal fees they pay and whose information led to the deaths of many, many assets. Or if they made of policy of reprisals against civilians? The list could go on indefinitely. For myself, I believe Israel is a fact of life that her neighbors had better accept. I also believe that Israel is a sovereign country that should be able to set its own governmental policies. But so should the US. The question of whether we consider the interests of Israel too much in doing so, is one that should be asked--and discussed. The fact that so many people suspect that our foreign policy is overly concerned with support for Israel points to the need for this discussion.

7/29/2006 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Israel owns american politicians hook, line, and sinker.

If you dare state the truth that Israel objects to, you are instantly labeled anti-sematic and the jewish lobby will see that you loose the next election.

The jewish lobby in all its forms is very powerful and it has shown in the past that it knows how to get what it wants.

It is the rare president that manages get some of his policy in the Middle East to be at least partially accepted by Israel.

We do not have such a president now. We have a sick joke of one.

We are supposed to be the super power in the world, but one that is totally subservant to whatever Israel wants.

Just recall the Israeli bombing of the Liberty that caused over 20 US sailors to be killed - 1967.
What was the result. They were sorry and regret the mistake (it was no mistake)and the business of money and arms transfere continued as usual. The us sailors were collateral damage who had no value., neither to Israel and also not to the US.

That has always been the case.

Honest broker, what a joke. I doubt that bush and coni know how to spell it or what it means, not that they give a damn.

7/29/2006 1:54 PM  
Anonymous thirdeye said...

This is the same slippery slope Germany went down before Hitler. I had hoped we could avoid this in America, but no country is safe from the Semetic parasite. First Spain, then Germany, now America. Folks, there's a pattern here everyone is ignoring.

7/30/2006 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The five Israeli intelligence people were not dancing and celebrating, at worst (according to the pseudonymous witness "Maria" who phoned them in to the FBI) they merely looked "happy" as they filmed, and I kinda question whether Maria read their emotions correctly. Remember how there were all sorts of stories going around about immigrants in NJ cheering from their rooftops as the towers fell. Netanyahu's full quote was, "It's very good. Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy." I personally wouldn't characterize that as gushing.

And the USS Liberty being deliberately attacked? Bamford alleged that the USS Liberty was attacked to conceal an Israeli massacre of hundreds of POWs and civilians, but this massacre exists only in his imagination. See: .

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