Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Now He Tells Us....

He's just--he's a person who's now been marginalized. I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him to be honest with you. I truly am not that concerned about him.

President Bush on Bin Laden, 3/13/2002

"When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it," Bush told reporters after visiting the top-secret National Security Agency where the surveillance program is based. "I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously. Now, I understand there's some in America who say, 'Well, this can't be true there are still people willing to attack.' All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously."

President Bush on Bin Laden, 1/25/2006

Desperate times, desperate measures, shameless president.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

They've probably spent more time eavesdropping on Michael Moore than Bin Laden.

1/25/2006 11:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't believe Bush even knows what he's saying now, much less what he said some other year. It's basically meaningless even though he's undoubtedly coached, primed, rehearsed, crib-noted, and teleprompted. Lies and nonsense.

Is bin Laden alive? Was that his audiotape? We won't find out from the .gov.

FWIW I don't disrespect conservatives or even Republicans.

1/25/2006 11:57 PM  
Blogger D.Boyer said...

One thing I often try is placing different actors of differing political stripes saying almost precisely the same thing, and think about how I would then "hear" the statement.

Would conservatives be sticking it to Gore had bin Laden still gone uncaptures four and a half years later? Would Democrats be upset if this were the case?

My own sense of the situation is that finding one person in that remote and rugged area in the world is a difficult task. A nation could spend a great deal of money and time and still possibly not find the target. Purely speculation on my part here, but I don't have the sense that America poured all of its efforts into that goal six months after the planes caused havoc.

Had "President" Gore chosen that path, I feel that I could be equally critical of that choice regardless my own liberal tendencies.

Why this latest message from bin Laden doesn't reinforce the poor decision made by the Administration is beyond my own little mind.

1/26/2006 8:28 AM  
Blogger Hume's Ghost said...

You're right, TCR. This, to me, is absolutely appaling and disgusting. Bush is fear-mongering for personal political gain to escape the NSA scandal he's gotten himself into. There is NO excuse for that. None.

1/26/2006 8:46 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

To continue beating the same dead (hobby) horse I've thrashed for the last 3 days, recall the reaction of Manor Farm's animals when they saw the slogan on the wall.

Though the dim-witted sheep & cows were pretty sure that "All animals are created equal" didn't contain the additional clause, "But some animals are more equal than others," they couldn't quite be sure. Afterall, they all *knew* the pigs were smarter than they were. At least that's what Squealer told them.

If Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Condi and the other liars keep saying Osama's irrelevent, then he's irrelevent. If they say he's alive and dangerous, then he's alive and dangerous.

Juts remember, folks, many people *know* that Iraq attacked us on 9/11, and we're merely defending ourselves.

Ignorance is Strength? Could be.

But today, Lies are most definitely Truth.

1/26/2006 8:56 AM  
Anonymous phoebes said...

Glad you caught that. I watched the news conference - doesn't Bush sound whiny and hectoring when he speaks? - and was hoping a reporter would ask about his two widely different comments.

Alas, no one did. I'd have loved to see Bush try to wiggle out of the first one.

1/26/2006 1:05 PM  
Blogger wendyo said...

Perhaps a "President Gore" would not have killed Bin Laden by now either, but he wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq (he spoke very convincingly against it beforehand), so it's more likely the attention would have been focused on Afghanistan.

1/26/2006 1:29 PM  
Anonymous kindness said...

You took the words right off my keyboard wendyo.

We could have won the trust of the muslim world had we focused on re-building Afganistan's infrastructure and commerce.

Only problem is, Afganistan doesn't have any oil. Too bad for us.

1/26/2006 2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read Chapter 7 of the 9/11 Commission Report and ask yourself if this is how real people conduct themselves.

This selective memory affliction seems to be contagious. On the TPM Cafe website, someone named Blackton who claims to be a CIA veteran of the 1980s Afghan war wrote that the CIA did not even know of OBL's activities before 1995. Too bad Blackton does not read the NY Times because in March 1993, Chris Hedge, NYT reporter, wrote about OBL financing terrorism.

Who knows - Cindy Adams and Naomi Campbell reported that OBL was in Riyadh a couple of years ago. They seem to be as credible as anyone else to date.

kindness - Afghanistan does have some oil along with gas and mineral deposits. Awhile ago,I read on the Alexander's Gas and Oil website that Rosneft and another Russian company had the oil rights there but I don't know if the deal held up.

1/26/2006 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, I understand there's some in America who say, 'Well, this can't be true there are still people willing to attack.'

What a beautiful straw man you have there, Mr. President!!! Honest to God, how many people in America think that it cannot be true that there are still people willing to attack us? Oh sure, clearly, if you criticize the handling of the Iraq war and think our government should not spy on us illegally, you must think no one in the entire world wants to attack us. What a complete ass.

1/26/2006 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is likely why bin laden is still alive. He's worth more to this admisistration alive than dead. He is nothing more than a tool for this administration.

Time to break out the fearing fear itself quote boys.

1/26/2006 8:56 PM  
Blogger The Local Crank said...

Excellent post, Realist, which I shamelessly ripped off. Reality is no match for this Administration or its spin-wizards.

1/26/2006 9:57 PM  
Blogger Walter E. Wallis said...

The statements are not mutually exclusive. Catching bin Ladin is not his primary concern, nor is it necessary he spend a great deal of time obsessing, but the work of bin Ladin needs to be thwarted.

1/27/2006 12:43 AM  
Anonymous TuiMel said...

You should try to find and listen to the audio of the "I don't spend that much time on him to be honest with you" comment. It in no way conveys the slant you seem to wish on it. It was spoken in the quintessential Bushie blow-off tone that in no way indicated a "wisdom" of prioritization. Bush is just says whatever he thinks is expediant. If he lies or spouts nonsense in the process, so be it. And, frankly, I don't give a damn whether Bin Laden is marginalized. I want him brought to justice; I will never stop wanting that.

1/27/2006 3:19 AM  
Anonymous kindness said...

Thank you for correcting my statement above anonymous. I was surprised however so I did a google search. I was able to locate some info from a site: It says that Afganistan produced no oil (2003), and exported no oil(2005).

So, I admit that I did not research my claim, but I think you know what was driving at.


1/27/2006 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Political rhetoric aside, it is not in our best interest to kill OBL. If that happened, his lieutenants would fight for leadership, competing as to who would commit the most impressive acts of terrorism. This would create a real danger to America and the west in general, as at least some
of these groups are bound to succeed.

Our best interests lie with OBL exactly where he is now: generally believed alive, but in hiding and with his communications and operational capabilities severely disrupted. I am happy the sane minds prevailed over the cowboys, even at the expense of the president's credibility.


1/27/2006 2:16 PM  
Anonymous TuiMel said...

Yeah, right. As if any one aspiring to "move up" in Al Quaeda's leadership is waiting for Bin Laden to be killed or captured before he tries to pull off something terrible to prove himself. Drink the Koolaid and enjoy your alternative universe, my friend. "Sane minds prevailed over the cowboys," my ass. And, the President's credibility has suffered because he is incompetent.

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