Friday, June 30, 2006

What He Said....

After reading about Israeli warplanes buzzing Bashar Assad's summer residence and blowing up Gaza's only power plant---insured by U.S. taxpayers, by the way---I was going to write something. Then I read this post, which sums up my thoughts quite nicely.


Blogger 277fia said...

I watched the Israelis bulldoze Jenin and as revolted. The Israelis are cruel and barbaric and don't give a shit about Palestinian woemen or children. They want them exterminated.

If you ask me, Israels suffer from some sort of collective victim's guilt and anger syndrome leftover from the Holocaust and they are determined to do to someone else what was done to them for revenge.

6/30/2006 8:12 AM  
Blogger 277fia said...

Come to think of it, why don't the Israelis just poison the water supply of the Palestinians and speed up the process? I'm sure Hillary and Chuck would then approve $100 billion in emergency funding to help the Israelis dispose of 4 million dead bodies.

I suppose one of the problems is that the small game hunting with attack helicopters is so popular in Israel.

The other is that the Israelis are enjoying themselves so much watching the Palestinians slowly be starved and killed out of exisence.

6/30/2006 8:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found some of the early comments on that Washington Note article interesting, but so much time has passed that it's pointless for me to comment over there. So I will comment here. One early commenter at Washington Note points out, the U.S. didn't overreact to provocations during the Cold War, or else we would have had a nuclear exchange with the Soviets. The commenter after him, defending Israel's recent actions, responds,

"Can we really compare the United States during the Cold War and Israel today? It would seem that the Israeli's neighborhood is a bit different and certainly more dangerous than ours at any time in the last 150 years. Of course this isn't just about one soldier, but rather has multiple causes not the least of which is the fact that a terrorist organization that is based on the idea that Israel needs to be destroyed is at the helm right next door. If the United States every faced such a situation I think our restraint would also be tested..."

I think this cuts to the heart of the whole War On Terror thing. I find it preposterous to say that Israel's situation, with a bunch of unshaven teenagers kidnapping soldiers and shooting RPGs, is "more dangerous" than the Cold War, with thousands of multi-megaton nuclear weapons targeted at our cities, set up to fly automatically at a microsecond's notice even if there was an unintentional computer error.

But perhaps it feels more dangerous, because there is some degree of religious motivation (therefore it's OK to assume one's opponents are completely irrational and insane), more heated rhetoric -- and things like beheadings and kidnappings are far more visceral than the abstract, particle-physics thought of 60 megatons of nuclear energy being liberated in downtown Los Angeles.

For those reasons, Israel drastically overreacts in Palestine, and reacts in inappropriate ways (escalating the original problem). It's visceral, not rational. And also, the U.S. vastly overreacts, and reacts in inappropriate ways, in the so-called Global War on Terror. It's visceral, not rational.

6/30/2006 11:48 AM  
Blogger 277fia said...

BTW, I knew the shit was coming down on the Palestianians when I sae that f**k, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Hannity & Colmes the other night.

Netanyahu had the brass balls to point out that the US restored relations with Libya after Libya gave up WMDs. Colmes said he thought the real story as to why the US restored relations with Libya was not about WMDs but then Colmes wimped out when pressed by f**kface.

I will never, ever forget how fast that f**k, Netanyahu, showed up on TV on 9/11. I swear the S.O.B. was waiting in the green room for word that the WTC was down.

6/30/2006 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was surprised to hear the Palistinian demand to free women and teenagers. Does anyone know how many Palistinians, women and teenagers, are being held in Israel and in what conditions? I really don't know anything about the situation. Does Hamas have Israeli captives, other than the one soldier, or is suicide bombing their main tactic?

6/30/2006 6:12 PM  
Blogger DED said...

277fia: I think that if you lived with suicide bombers everyday and your neighbors declared that you should be wiped off the face of the Earth for 60 years and tried to do so multiple times, you'd eventually pop a gasket and forget what it means to be civilized.

I don't believe that they behave as they do out of "revenge" for the Holocaust but because they've been pushed over the edge. Even before the Holocaust, Jews were persecuted throughout Europe for their heresy. And even when under the thumb of Ceasar they were crucified for their beliefs.

Does that excuse Israel for its behavior? Absolutely not! But understand this is a people who have snapped. In their refusal to be subjugated yet again by the rest of the world, they're willing to survive by any means necessary. Even if it means acting the very enemy they despise. And that, is a tragedy.

6/30/2006 11:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/01/2006 10:03 PM  
Blogger 277fia said...

Get a grip ded - The Israelis are hardly in danger of being subjugated by the Palestinians. The Israeli troops are only big shots on the battlefield when they are "fighting" the weak and unarmed. Otherwise, they hide behind the skirts of the US. They excel at whining to Congress about how they are being picked on and btw, we need a few billions bucks to fight those bad, bad Palestinians.

Here's a question - why didn't the Israeis tell the Palestinians what they would do to them if Hamas was elecyed BEFORE the election? The Palestinians were set up the Israelis to give them an excuse to destroy life in Gaza. Animals.

The US taxpayers are forced to give Israel $250 million a week so the Israelis can have the latest in nuclear submarines, attack helicopters and universal healthcare. Did you know that Israel provides world-class health care to every Israeli? That's because you and I pay the bills. I don't know about you but I'd rather provide that kind of healthcare to Americans before I subsidized healthcare in a foreign country..

7/02/02 NY Times

"On Wednesday, Israeli missiles destroyed all six transformers in Gaza's only power plant, which supplied nearly half of the strip's electricity. Gaza is now completely reliant on Israel for power, which is being rationed around the strip, in an erratic schedule that gives residents only a few hours of power a day...

Meantime, with the borders completely shut since Sunday, officials estimate at most a few days' worth of fuel remains — and many gasoline stations have already run out.

Water is also quickly becoming a problem: without electricity to work water pumps — and with a shortage of diesel to run generators — 130,000 Gazans, mostly in rural areas, have been left without a regular supply, according to the United Nations.
And the problems compound: some 160,000 Gazans, half of them widows, the disabled and blind, are dependent on the United Nations World Food "Program for food, which comes in rations of chick peas, flour, oil and salt.

But Kirstie Campbell, a spokeswoman for the World Food Program, said the concern was that people would not be able to cook without adequate water and fuel.

"You can't eat flour," she said. "You can't eat dry chick peas...""

The US should make it a fair fight and give the same amount of proportionate financial and military aid to the Palestinians as we give to the Israelis. Let the Paletinians have the choice as to whether they want to bulldoze Israeli towns wholesale and bury Israeli children unnder a pile of rubble. If the Palestinians had attack helicopters, I'm sure they would only shoot down Israelis militants like the Israelis do.

7/02/2006 12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Israel has snapped, then it should not be.

The whole 'they want to destroy us' meme has gotten old.

The point is, Israel itself doesn't want peace until it has the land it wants.

7/03/2006 8:25 AM  
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7/03/2006 1:22 PM  
Blogger DED said...

The whole 'they want to destroy us' meme has gotten old.

No. You're probably one of the many people in Western civilization capable of seeing the long view.

The point is, Israel itself doesn't want peace until it has the land it wants.

That's funny. The same thing was said about Arafat during the 90's.

With regards to what 277fia wrote:

The threat to Israel has never been the Palestinians. It's always been their Arab neighbors. The PLO and Hamas have been funded for years by Israel's neighbors/enemies to strike at Israel incognito. They can claim that they had nothing to do with the attacks on Israel. Otherwise, that would give Israel carte blanche to carry out attacks against its neighbors, rather than its bloody blunders against the Palestinians.

Don't any of you remember the Yom Kippur War?

At no point have I argued in favor of granting Israel the huge amount of foreign aid that they receive. In fact, I'm against foreign aid in principle for just about everyone.

And, at no point have I ever suggested that Israel should be given a pass on what they've done. In fact, Condi should be over there trying to smack some sense into the Israeli leadership. They've played right into the hands of their enemies and now everyone hates them.

Gee, that sounds familiar.

7/05/2006 2:02 PM  
Blogger DED said...

Doh. That should've been incapable in that second sentence.

7/05/2006 2:03 PM  
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