Monday, October 02, 2006

"A Reminder: We Are At War"

Since the Foley story broke, I've been checking some of the more strident Righty blogs for reaction. It varies of course, but a consistent theme is concern over "the bigger picture." The proprietor of the popular site "Captain's Quarters" posted this over the weekend:
I cannot tell CQ readers how disgusted I am with Speaker Hastert. Reynolds is no fringe nutcase; he's the man Hastert trusted to run the midterm re-elections of the Republican caucus. He has no reason to lie, but Hastert apparently did. This also calls into question Boehner's earlier reversal, when he denied saying that he informed Hastert after Hastert denied knowing of Foley's activities.

Hastert should have been a man from the beginning and admit that he knew about Foley. Now he has destroyed any credibility left in his Speakership, and he has only compounded the embarrassment for the GOP caucus. Foley's actions reflect on Foley alone, but thanks to Hastert and perhaps Boehner, the aftermath will reflect on all Republicans in the House.

Republicans have to act swiftly to remove the stench of Foleygate from the party. They need to demand the resignation of Hastert as Speaker, as well as Boehner as Majority Leader if he lied to protect Hastert. Allowing Foley off the hook was a mistake in judgment, but this is a betrayal of those who trusted Hastert to lead the House with dignity, honesty, and integrity.
Here are some of his readers' posted responses:
Let's be clear on this: If Hastert and Boehner are forced out, this close to an election, than we should expect the Democrats to take the House.

THAT means impeachment investigations--real or threatened--, a White House spending its last two years in power fending off subpoenas, a Charles-Rangel-led effort to bleed our war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan dry, and an emboldening of al Qaeda and jihadis worldwide as they perceive a weakening in American resolve.

A reminder: we are at war. If Hastert goes, the Dems most likely get the house, and our chances for winning the war drop precipitously. We become, de facto, a much less safe nation.
Again, we are at war. If a blogswarm gets going on this issue, and Hastert and Boehner are forced from office, we should expect to lose the House. Before we sling allegations that fire such a blogswarm, shouldn't we be sure that Hastert and Boehner deserve to be drummed out of their leadership positions in this manner. We will ALL pay the price if this happens.
And this:
My thought is that we need not run around screaming the sky is falling six weeks before the election. The punches are coming fast and furious from every angle right now and that will only intensify. What was the scandal six weeks ago? Do you remember? Whether you do or not, I'd be willing to bet that most Americans don't. If they do, they only remember what the media has brainwashed them to remember, not the facts. But they do remember that kids are dying fighting for our freedoms, and unforunately, they are being told their cause is hopeless. In my opinion, that arguement trumps anything on the table right now.
And this:
Ed- let's calm down about this Hastert resignation talk. We sure are quick to throw our leaders overboard (Gingrich, Livingston, Lott) at the first sign of potential trouble. Remember how the dems rallied around Barney Frank after his travails. And he's still there and keeps getting re-elected. Calling for his resignation just feeds into the dems game plan and further divides the republicans. Take a deep breath next time before you post this type of negativity.
And this:
C'mon you guys! Are we going to let some faggot ruin our chances to win the war on terror? Hell no! It's time to shore up our defenses and fight fight fight! The fate of the American way of life is at stake!! Don't let a pervert destroy everything for us! We worked hard, we Americans, to earn our special place in the world, and we can NOT let a faggot take us down!
I could have posted many more, but you get the idea. Shorter blind-faith set: Focusing too much on Foley may cause disaster in November, which in turn will make us all "less safe." If you've been wondering what might cause Bush's stalwart 35% to waver, the answer becomes more and more clear: literally nothing.


Anonymous wendy said...

Thank you for cherrypicking some of the better quotes.

I must admit, that I have been known (for occasional sport), to troll that site and piss of the natives by telling them their pro-war prose reads like a paint-ball fantasy camp, then enjoy their overheated responses with much merriment. ;-)

This topic is particularly amusing.

10/02/2006 10:11 PM  
Blogger jj said...

Yeah, Wendy, that can be fun. I also enjoy playing like one of them and making outrageous over-the-top comments, then sitting back and watching them agree with me! That last comment CR cites, especially, seems like it could be a spoof (note the 'fight fight fight' - ala Lazlo Toth!). And that's when it's really fun, when you can't tell if a comment is genuine or not, it's so damned good.

10/02/2006 11:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 'faggot' quote really is the current GOP distilled down to it's most pure essence, isn't it? The fate of the American way of life is at stake!!

Now with TWO exclamation marks...

10/03/2006 1:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cunning, you've read John Rogers' "Crazification Factor", yes?

It's a slow build, but the explanation of the term is about halfway through.

10/03/2006 2:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/03/2006 2:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who realizes that our representative government will inevitably represent us - both good and bad alike - and that both parties have had their fair share of scandals and subsequent political reprisals, it's especially amusing to watch this sudden reversal of fortunes, especially for the party that claims exclusive right to "American family values." But don't be mistaken; waters run shallow among Republican voters, and like so many other inconvenient truths that have been swept under the rug as of late, this too might fade.

Let's hope not, but it just might.

10/03/2006 6:36 AM  
Blogger 277fia said...

The f**king weasel, Glenn Reynolds, was up to his old tricks over the weekend. He reminded his readers that he was never a fan of Hastert's and then links to John Hindraker at Power Line without comment.

Hindraker dragged out two ancient Democratic "scandals" involving pages and then says this one is no big deal.

I say the Republicans should do nothing at all and leave Dennis Hastert in place for the next two years.

We might as well see this Republican administration through to the bitter end.

I say keep the war going even if it does cost the lives of our troops in Iraq and Afganistan.

The president insists we are in it to win. George W. Bush has the right to shape his legacy and Dennis Hastert can help him.

Those folks at the Captain Quarters are dead on. Literally.

BTW, C.R., I had no idea that you do not support the minimum wage. In 2000, I admittedly was not fully aware of the intentions of you Republicans to dismantle every right of the American worker.

I read a great 7/00 Washington Post story about the Northern Mariannas that explains what you Republicans believe shoud happen in this country.

I posted it at the TPM Cafe where, as you know, I am Mrs Panstreppon.

C.R, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Did you grow up with money? That might explain why you would take such a callous position.

If you didn't, you have a misplaced sense of your own superiority and no regard for your fellow Americans or anyone else in the world.

Don't be so sure you will win on this one. Us lefties still have trick or two up our sleeves.

10/03/2006 8:24 AM  
Blogger 277fia said...

BTW, "Captain" Ed at the Captain's Qaurters blgo monitors his comments so only the ones that he likes get through.

Some trick. He criticizes Dennis Hastert and then demonstrates that his fellow conservatives do not agree with him.

Crude, crude, crude media manipulation.

I don't who is the biggest con artist - Glenn Reynolds or Captain Ed.

At least the NRO folks are up front about their depraved indifference to honesty and integrity.

10/03/2006 8:40 AM  
Blogger copy editor said...

American politics is a weird thing. Hastert will end up resigning.

And the war will go on.

10/03/2006 9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How amusing.

10/03/2006 10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's pretty awesome that 16 year olds were ignored about war-related issues and now a 16 year old will bring about the end of the Republican Congress. Something the voters couldn't do.

Weird, huh?

10/03/2006 10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No perspective on anything. Everything is treated the same. Paper cut = Head blow off.

They spin. We die.
They spin. We go broke.

Paul Krugman'sThings Fall Apart, talks about the marriage of the "preachers and the plutocrats". One supplied the emotions and the other supplied the money, and then there are those that are there just for the spoils.

I often wonder why parents should bother to tell their kids to be nice, share, and tell the truth, because it seems as adults the exact opposite happens all the time. We might as well prepare our kids for reality to give them a chance. Ho hum. :-(

The biggest disappointment I have with the Republican party is they say one thing and do another. Nothing new, but they have made it their slogan (beat it into our heads with Fox and drones) to be different, to be ethical, when they have taken the opposite to the highest levels yet. They arent fiscally conservative. They hired people because of loyalty, not ability or skills. They aren't about ethics and morality. They'll say it, but they don't do it. They lied us into a war, and the Republican controlled Congress abdicted its responsibility completely. The leadership in Congress, Senate and House, are pathetic! The Republicans constantly put party before country. Surely we can not continue down this path. Something has to change in order for this to improve.

10/03/2006 12:25 PM  
Blogger David Studhalter said...

I agree with most of what the commenter just above says, but I have to say I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole Foleygate thing. I have yet to hear of anything so incredibly egregious that all this fluster is justified. It's all too reminiscent of the Clinton witchhunt, to my mind. I just wish people would leave personal lives out of politics; unfortunately that does presume that, unlike Foley, politicians have to be at least reasonably discreet.

10/03/2006 2:38 PM  
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10/03/2006 2:45 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

Economic ignorance is the curse of the poor. The minimum wage is a scam. The public schools fail to teach the poor any basic economics and so they are easily exploitable. Low wage workers are hurt by the minimum wage...on the government and corporate america. By running huge deficits and inflating the money supply the government can determine the value of the minimum matter what the minimum wage is. Therefore the minimum wage becomes meaningless. If the government ran balanced budgets and the value of the dollar was kept constant by not flooding the country with dollars, the working poor could save a small portion of their pay and not have to fight inflation. They would have the opportunity to build wealth and improve their lot in life. Like every decent immigrant who ever came to this country did. If you actually cared about the poor you should encourage a balanced budget and a stable dollar...along with demanding that the public school system teach basic economics. come liberals insist on being so stupid?

10/03/2006 4:10 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

I'll answer my own question...liberals are so stupid because it is much more appealing to their egos to say "I saved the poor" because congress said they must make 2 bucks more an what if inflation is 4 percent a year and you won't see another raise in 10 years. Liberals think they can make everybody rich by passing a law in congress by raising the minimum wage to be paid in a fiat currency with printing presses running full blast 24 hours a day.

10/03/2006 4:18 PM  
Anonymous mr. Hedley Bowes said...

Your bias is showing, goldhorder. I've long since lost count of all the beat up, rusting out trailer park pickups and pintos bearing 'W04' stickers. I'll give you the point that basic economics isn't a basic requirement for public schools. Maybe that's why much of the new right wing votes against their own economic interests.

10/03/2006 6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

goldhorder -- you seem to think this is a one-or-the-other situation.

You're telling me I only can eat cake, but I don't get any. And you're accusing 277fia of providing cake but no way to eat it.

Personally, I'd like my cake AND to eat it, too.

10/03/2006 6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you actually cared about the poor you should encourage a balanced budget and a stable dollar...along with demanding that the public school system teach basic economics. come liberals insist on being so stupid?

We have been demanding those things. The Dems left the White House with a balanced budget and were damn proud of it. You talk as though the Dems were pissed at Clinton for not spending recklessly - nobody did that. And when hasn't education been in the top three items for the Dems? Bush just decided to test everybody constantly - that's not education, it's control.

10/03/2006 7:45 PM  
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10/03/2006 9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

was it not faber who wrote that the $ had lost 92% of its purchasing power since 1900...

think the funny 'minutes' are havard one out of chicago would have written them...

10/04/2006 8:27 AM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

The goldensextant link is great.
Really, I have no love for the Bush all. He is a complete and total disaster. On all fronts. It would be nice if the left could get a clue rather than trumpeting meaningless changes just to get votes. That is my argument with the left. The only reason Clinton managed some degree of financial balance was because of the animosity with the Republican congress. They couldn't agree on how to spend the loot!

10/04/2006 10:36 AM  
Anonymous mr. Hedley Bowes said...

Agreed that they couldn't figure out how to spend the loot (the peace dividend plus surpluses derived from a fundamentally dynamic growth economy) left the Treasury in pretty good shape. Underlying that, the Clinton administration envisioned and facilitated economic growth and fiscal discipline with profoundly positive results. Those players have been waiting in the wings for 6 years now whilst the good fortune of the United States has been squandered on militaristic monetization of foreign oil resources (heh) and the illusion of wealth creation driven by highly leveraged real estate valuations.

Our economy has been managed by pinheads the last 6 years. I'm looking forward to seeing the grownups back in under a Democratic administration with Rubin, Reich and Gore and all the associated talent they attract. You know, the kind of economic growth that creates jobs. Then we'll see domestic economic growth that isn't focused exclusively on crony contracts for defense and petroleum.

10/04/2006 12:58 PM  
Blogger 277fia said...

I guess I am as dumb as a bag of hammers because I'd rather be paid $6 an hour than $3 an hour, inflation or no inflation.

In the 2000 Washington Post story I linked to, Tom DeLay was quoted as follows about the Northern Mariannas:

"It is a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It's like my Galapagos island."

The Northern Mariannas is exempt from federal labor and immigration laws.

Democrats accuse garment manufacturers there of forcing people to work long hours without overtime, failing at times to pay them at all, and requiring them to live in crowded "barracks."

I don't think I'd like to be a garment worker in the Northern Mariannas nor do I want garment or any other workers to be treated like that in the U.S.

I admit I was not up to speed on what the Republican platform in 2000.

I had no idea that Republicans advocate a return to sweatshops and the elimination of labor laws.

Somewhat meanspirited, no?

10/04/2006 10:21 PM  
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10/05/2006 3:24 AM  
Blogger 277fia said...

I'll try reading it (I saved a copy to my HD) but I still would rather be paid $6 an hour than $3 an hour until the system is fixed and I benefit from it.

I recently had to work at the same salary I was paid in 1990 and was shocked at how much my standard of living had deteriorated in fifteen years.

10/05/2006 9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So there is supposed to be a WAR on. Really?

If there really is a war on we would have a draft and NO tax cuts.

But since this is not the case all that phony play about saving us from terror is just so much hot air.

We are not fighting terror we tried to grab OIL, you know that stuff that Bush likes. Only he goofed and his buddies in the oil industry can kiss it Iraqi oil goodby.

Instead the man who preaches the sanctity of life has caused the slaughter of Iraqs by the tens of thousand and by contaiminating the land with depleted uranium the population will suffer with cancers and bad health as long as anyone will live in that ancient land.

But he was successful in one way in that he has provided the would-be terrorists with the best training ground that the US army can provide, and also invigor the movement.
On the other hand our army in being ground into hamburger, the equipment used up and the emotional and psychological damage to our soldiers will continue taking its toll for decades to come.

So this "war" is so patriotic - we have made sure that Iran will emerge as the new powerhouse in the region, we have made sure that torture is the new american democratic policy and that the rule of law and the constitution has achieved the same respect as used toilet paper.

To top it off we are so in hock to china and other nations that they will soon be able to tell us what to do.
Think of it Bush was able to achieve all that in only 5 years. In another 2 years we should become the first superpower banana republic.

10/05/2006 9:29 PM  
Anonymous goldhorder said...

Once again...why is this so hard to understand? Minimum wage with a fiat currency is nothing but an illusiong. Nobody can overcome poverty unless they can save up enough wealth to educate themselves or start a small business of their own. A person with a small wage in a non-inflationary economy has an oppurtunity to do this. A person with a small wage in an inflationary economy is swimming upstream. This is what you do not understand. The working poor and the elderly on fixed pensions are the ones who suffer most in our current economy. Corporate America offers a couple of grumbles but doesn't really care if they raise the minimum wage or not. They know how the game is played.

10/06/2006 12:53 PM  
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10/06/2006 2:09 PM  
Anonymous Mr. Hedley Bowes said...

I was inclined to make a similar argument, goldhorder, but then the other evening I saw the PBS report on the Northern Marianas. Seems the GOP has created the perfect petri dish of labor and capital there: sweatshop working conditions, filthy, lockdown living quarters and checks that bounce when they're cashed.

Now, is that an economy or a plantation?

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